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I wonder if there are people who don't view intelligence agencies negatively nowadays.
by briefcomment 5y ago
I wonder if there are people who don't view intelligence agencies negatively nowadays.
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- Ericson2314 5y agoThey got a lot of breathless positive press for being a "institutional bullwork against trump" :(
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- neatze 5y agoNegatively compared to what specifically ?
- vmception 5y agolol, go to the DC area. they have lots of convoluted words to abstract the reality of the situation away to be comfortable with that career.
- _delirium 5y agoYeah, some version of "pro-CIA progressive" is a common political identity in DC. It is very weird.
- briefcomment 5y agoIt's almost like when a parent is in denial about their spouse abusing others. They turn a blind eye to it.
- nceqs3 5y agoOr it's more like the people in DC see the value that the IC brings to policy and war.
- briefcomment 5y agoRight, like a parent sees the value of an extra income, and subconsciously recognizes the benefit to their sanity to not recognize that they live with an abuser, so they let things slide.
- nceqs3 5y agoYes stopping terror attacks and keeping the US policy circles informed about ongoing activities in other countries is the same as domestic abuse. Well put! /s
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- fossuser 5y agoAgreed - any functioning modern government needs an effective IC, the replies to your comment are naive. People in DC are more likely to see the pragmatic reality as part of their work, rather than some HN commenter who works on ads at facebook.
- nceqs3 5y agoFACEBOOK HAS NEVER KILLED ANYBODY! MYANMAR IS NOT THEIR FAULT! /s
- _delirium 5y agoAs as Greek–American, I am somehow not sold on the "value" of the American IC's support for right-wing dictatorships.
- nceqs3 5y ago
- traloid 5y agoJust go to r/politics, they loved intelligence agencies a lot for fighting against the so-called russian collusion.
- stjohnswarts 5y ago"so-called"? you mean the one where there are multiple connections and convictions related to russians? that "so-called" collusion that was covered up?
- briefcomment 5y agoAre you talking about Flynn? Imo, being apolitical, that looked like an inconsequential offense, and the FBI response to it looked like a dumb waste of time. And the longer they dragged it out, the dumber it looked.
- staunch 5y agoI view the U.S. intelligence agencies as a necessary evil that should be made less evil over time. We have seen a lot of progress, in large part to whistleblowers like these, and the public reaction they've caused. The agencies are very aware of public perception and do a fairly good job of restraining themselves these days. One big improvement would be to build up a much larger number of special forces troops to operate these kinds of targeted attacks. They would be much more precise than missile attacks, killing far fewer unarmed women and children (see: the Bin Laden raid). The trade off is that we would lose a lot more soldiers, but that would be a worthy trade off. These troops could be made up entirely of volunteers. If we're not willing to risk our soldiers, we're probably not confident enough that the enemy is a target worth attacking. The U.S. military never should have resorted to bombing unarmed women and children in WW2 and beyond. It's time to stop even targeted strikes where unarmed women and children will knowingly be killed. There's nothing wrong with attacking people who declare themselves deadly enemies through words or actions. But let's have our soldiers go into combat against them head-to-head (with much better gear, of course) and fight it out like an honorable and brave people should.
- the_optimist 5y agoWell, they literally sit in pundit chairs in major “progressive” media outlets nowadays, and they were absolutely celebrated by those same people for their work continually running ops on Trump. Basically the entire neoliberal/neoconservative class cannot get enough dark intel arts into everyone else’s life.