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You think a 100% failure rate on the hottest topic in the world right now is likely?

tablespoon 5y ago
> You think a 100% failure rate on the hottest topic in the world right now is likely? Yeah. Attempts at powered flight had a 100% failure rate in the 1800s. It's kind of absurd to think that "AI" (especially in its current incarnation) must be able to solve any "hot" problem that it's thrown at.
- briefcomment 5y ago
  You think AI is so primitive that we can't make any headway into the biggest problem we currently have? That seems like a fairly fringe view. Especially on a problem that has well defined data like medical imaging.
  - gumby 5y ago
    Medical diagnosis has been one of the core ai domains domains since the early 1960s so people have been breaking the picks at that coalface for almost 60 years. And those older systems has more intelligence in them. Todays’s “AI” is a small number of tricks aimed at large amounts of data, with an unprecedented and enormous amount of marketing added.
    - iamstupidsimple 5y ago
      > And those older systems has more intelligence in them. Todays’s “AI” is a small number of tricks aimed at large amounts of data, with an unprecedented and enormous amount of marketing added. If you're talking about deep neural networks, I can understand this viewpoint. But generally the last decade has proven widely successful for high quality vision recognition models that just weren't available before then. And with something like transfer learning, you can take a powerful off-the-shelf model and specialize it without a huge dataset. The real barriers IME are around legal and privacy implications. There's also a strong argument about if these models creating enough value in the first place, but they can work on a technical level.
  - boxercommemt 5y ago
    Hey alexa win the war on drugs.
  - tablespoon 5y ago
    > You think AI is so primitive that we can't make any headway into the biggest problem we currently have? More or less. It's almost certain if "AI" makes any headway at all, it will fall far short of the hype. > That seems like a fairly fringe view. Especially on a problem that has well defined data like medical imaging. I doubt it.
RandomLensman 5y ago
Oh yeah. Just as AI has not made the stock market predictable. There is (maybe) progress in pockets but not in general. Systems that change strongly and react to forecasts are really difficult to handle (and also stuff happens, eg new variants). Also on the wet side, there is very little progress on something like general antiviral drugs. Some stuff is just really hard.
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> You think a 100% failure rate on the hottest topic in the world right now is likely? Yeah. Attempts at powered flight had a 100% failure rate in the 1800s. It's kind of absurd to think that "AI" (especially in its current incarnation) must be able to solve any "hot" problem that it's thrown at.

briefcomment 5y ago
You think AI is so primitive that we can't make any headway into the biggest problem we currently have? That seems like a fairly fringe view. Especially on a problem that has well defined data like medical imaging.
- gumby 5y ago
  Medical diagnosis has been one of the core ai domains domains since the early 1960s so people have been breaking the picks at that coalface for almost 60 years. And those older systems has more intelligence in them. Todays’s “AI” is a small number of tricks aimed at large amounts of data, with an unprecedented and enormous amount of marketing added.
  - iamstupidsimple 5y ago
    > And those older systems has more intelligence in them. Todays’s “AI” is a small number of tricks aimed at large amounts of data, with an unprecedented and enormous amount of marketing added. If you're talking about deep neural networks, I can understand this viewpoint. But generally the last decade has proven widely successful for high quality vision recognition models that just weren't available before then. And with something like transfer learning, you can take a powerful off-the-shelf model and specialize it without a huge dataset. The real barriers IME are around legal and privacy implications. There's also a strong argument about if these models creating enough value in the first place, but they can work on a technical level.
- boxercommemt 5y ago
  Hey alexa win the war on drugs.
- tablespoon 5y ago
  > You think AI is so primitive that we can't make any headway into the biggest problem we currently have? More or less. It's almost certain if "AI" makes any headway at all, it will fall far short of the hype. > That seems like a fairly fringe view. Especially on a problem that has well defined data like medical imaging. I doubt it.

RandomLensman 5y ago

Oh yeah. Just as AI has not made the stock market predictable. There is (maybe) progress in pockets but not in general. Systems that change strongly and react to forecasts are really difficult to handle (and also stuff happens, eg new variants). Also on the wet side, there is very little progress on something like general antiviral drugs. Some stuff is just really hard.

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