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As a user I love it. More privacy for me.

elefanten 5y ago
Agree. It's made me sign up for many services that I never would have otherwise.
ljm 5y ago
Lol, privacy? You think that's what it is? Apple forces you to use in-app purchases, Apple forces you to stick with their crippled browser ecosystem, it has no compatibility outside of Apple. Their protocols for messaging and device interop are closed-source; they have tech that tracks all your devices + these new beacons, and all your devices are those beacons too. You are more heavily tracked under Apple than you are in any other system. Did you think your iphone would be a location tracker for another device?
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  You're mixing up "privacy from Apple" and "privacy from random third-party developers when using 'Login with Apple' specifically".
- fay59 5y ago
  You could have saved yourself a fair amount of embarrassment with just a little bit of reading. Apple can’t decrypt beacon locations. https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/security/sece994d0126/1/web/1 https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/security/sece994d0126/...
sneak 5y ago
No. You can't get an Apple ID without providing a phone number, street address, and email address.
- Retric 5y ago
  That must be recent, I didn’t provide a street address.
  - sneak 5y ago
    The street address is not verified/authenticated, but the email and phone are.
    - Retric 5y ago
      Sure, but you can have an anonymous email address and phone number in the US.
  - kiwijamo 5y ago
    I recall having to provide this around 2013 or so around the time I got an iPhone 5. But possibly it was part of their credit card verification? That could explain why some have been asked and not others.
- regecks 5y ago
  As with others, I trust Apple to safeguard this information waaaay more than constantly rolling the dice with shady app publishers every time I sign up to something. That I can sign up to TikTok with "Sign in with Apple", with an auto-generated Apple Privacy email address and literally no other information, is quite amazing and useful.
  - sneak 5y ago
    Apple surrenders customer data on over 30,000 customers per year to the US government without search warrants or probable cause. This is disclosed in their own transparency report (FISA). This isn't optional; Apple has to provide data on any user account the USG demands of them, without a search warrant. Your trust in them is misplaced.
    - omginternets 5y ago
      Most of us are more worried about scummy advertisers than three-letter agencies.
      - sneak 5y ago
        Advertisers can't put you in jail indefinitely without trial because you published something they didn't like. The USA IC can and will.
        omginternets 5y ago
        Yes, but the odds of that are quite low for the overwhelming majority of us.
    - dv_dt 5y ago
      All companies operating in the US are going to be subject to the same.
    - andrewjf 5y ago
      I’m not sure what your point is. This is unavoidable for any company subject to FISA or you know, laws. I care far more about companies like Google and Facebook taking my information and using it in tracking and advertising, or selling it to whomever wants to pay for it for whatever reason to build a profile about me and using that to take advantage of me. On that front, I trust Apple far more than any of the other options. They’re using it as a competitive advantage and it’s working.
- protomyth 5y ago
  How do you get an Apple ID without a street address? There are still places in the US that don't have street addresses, even after 911 attempts.
  - protomyth 5y ago
    This is a serious question since many of our students don't have a street address. Many reservations only have PO Boxes.
    - extra88 5y ago
      A P.O. Box address should be fine.
dmitryminkovsky 5y ago
As a developer it was a pretty exotic experience. Their OAuth service is unlike any other big name provider I'd used. Some day soon I hope to open source my Apple backend integrations in TypeScript, because Apple provides no backend SDKs, at least not for Node/JS/TS. Lots of people seem to use Sign In With Apple, though. They make it really nice for the user. The email relay thing is pretty neat. The thing that troubles me with OAuth is that if you don't provide apps with some other way to sign in and you lose access to you OAuth account, you lose access to all your applications.
- jbluepolarbear 5y ago
  It was pretty painless to implement in my case, though I was already familiar with communicating with Apple backend services.
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Agree. It's made me sign up for many services that I never would have otherwise.

ljm 5y ago

Lol, privacy? You think that's what it is? Apple forces you to use in-app purchases, Apple forces you to stick with their crippled browser ecosystem, it has no compatibility outside of Apple. Their protocols for messaging and device interop are closed-source; they have tech that tracks all your devices + these new beacons, and all your devices are those beacons too. You are more heavily tracked under Apple than you are in any other system. Did you think your iphone would be a location tracker for another device?

ceejayoz 5y ago
You're mixing up "privacy from Apple" and "privacy from random third-party developers when using 'Login with Apple' specifically".
fay59 5y ago
You could have saved yourself a fair amount of embarrassment with just a little bit of reading. Apple can’t decrypt beacon locations. https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/security/sece994d0126/1/web/1 https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/security/sece994d0126/...

sneak 5y ago

No. You can't get an Apple ID without providing a phone number, street address, and email address.

Retric 5y ago
That must be recent, I didn’t provide a street address.
- sneak 5y ago
  The street address is not verified/authenticated, but the email and phone are.
  - Retric 5y ago
    Sure, but you can have an anonymous email address and phone number in the US.
- kiwijamo 5y ago
  I recall having to provide this around 2013 or so around the time I got an iPhone 5. But possibly it was part of their credit card verification? That could explain why some have been asked and not others.
regecks 5y ago
As with others, I trust Apple to safeguard this information waaaay more than constantly rolling the dice with shady app publishers every time I sign up to something. That I can sign up to TikTok with "Sign in with Apple", with an auto-generated Apple Privacy email address and literally no other information, is quite amazing and useful.
- sneak 5y ago
  Apple surrenders customer data on over 30,000 customers per year to the US government without search warrants or probable cause. This is disclosed in their own transparency report (FISA). This isn't optional; Apple has to provide data on any user account the USG demands of them, without a search warrant. Your trust in them is misplaced.
  - omginternets 5y ago
    Most of us are more worried about scummy advertisers than three-letter agencies.
    - sneak 5y ago
      Advertisers can't put you in jail indefinitely without trial because you published something they didn't like. The USA IC can and will.
      - omginternets 5y ago
        Yes, but the odds of that are quite low for the overwhelming majority of us.
  - dv_dt 5y ago
    All companies operating in the US are going to be subject to the same.
  - andrewjf 5y ago
    I’m not sure what your point is. This is unavoidable for any company subject to FISA or you know, laws. I care far more about companies like Google and Facebook taking my information and using it in tracking and advertising, or selling it to whomever wants to pay for it for whatever reason to build a profile about me and using that to take advantage of me. On that front, I trust Apple far more than any of the other options. They’re using it as a competitive advantage and it’s working.
protomyth 5y ago
How do you get an Apple ID without a street address? There are still places in the US that don't have street addresses, even after 911 attempts.
- protomyth 5y ago
  This is a serious question since many of our students don't have a street address. Many reservations only have PO Boxes.
  - extra88 5y ago
    A P.O. Box address should be fine.

dmitryminkovsky 5y ago

As a developer it was a pretty exotic experience. Their OAuth service is unlike any other big name provider I'd used. Some day soon I hope to open source my Apple backend integrations in TypeScript, because Apple provides no backend SDKs, at least not for Node/JS/TS. Lots of people seem to use Sign In With Apple, though. They make it really nice for the user. The email relay thing is pretty neat. The thing that troubles me with OAuth is that if you don't provide apps with some other way to sign in and you lose access to you OAuth account, you lose access to all your applications.

jbluepolarbear 5y ago
It was pretty painless to implement in my case, though I was already familiar with communicating with Apple backend services.
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