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I think I must be missing something. Is the case here that Mozilla (an entity whose primary active project is a browser) and Apple (one of the largest tech comp

by akerl_ 5y ago

I think I must be missing something. Is the case here that Mozilla (an entity whose primary active project is a browser) and Apple (one of the largest tech companies in the world) can’t be expected to compete with Google in terms of features for their browsers? I was already hesitant at the idea of somebody on Twitter telling me which criticisms are “valid”, but that premise threw me entirely.

dTal 5y ago
What you're missing is that Google implementing a "feature" doesn't automatically make it a desirable thing to have. Competing doesn't mean slavishly imitating the whims of the market leader, always a step behind.
- akerl_ 5y ago
  I feel like this is whatever the opposite of tautological is? If Google implements a feature for Chrome and I find it desirable as a user, am I not allowed to say “I wish Safari had this feature”? Why would somebody ever criticize Safari for lacking a feature they don’t desire?
masterof0 5y ago
I feel you, I'm a macOS user, and I love using Safari, but for Linux users/developers , not being able to test their web apps in Safari, just because they don't have access to a Mac, is ridiculous. If I were in that position, I would not support Safari, until I can afford a Mac, or just throw a warning banner in my site for Safari users.
- vagrantJin 5y ago
  > I feel you, I'm a macOS user, and I love using Safari, but for Linux users/developers , not being able to test their web apps in Safari, just because they don't have access to a Mac, is ridiculous I don't know. Maybe I'm reading too much into it but did you just feign empathy on linux developers and casually leave out the biggest developer group which happens to use Windows?
  - akerl_ 5y ago
    The guidelines ask you to respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of a comment ( https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html ). Raising the point that Linux developers can’t validate their front end code on Safari from their standard workstation doesn’t imply that Linux developers are the only affected group.
- marvinblum 5y ago
  There is Epiphany: https://twitter.com/m5blum/status/1421412967007010819 https://twitter.com/m5blum/status/1421412967007010819
  - mannerheim 5y ago
    I have seen Safari bugs that could not be reproduced in Epiphany

by akerl_ 5y ago

dTal 5y ago

What you're missing is that Google implementing a "feature" doesn't automatically make it a desirable thing to have. Competing doesn't mean slavishly imitating the whims of the market leader, always a step behind.

akerl_ 5y ago
I feel like this is whatever the opposite of tautological is? If Google implements a feature for Chrome and I find it desirable as a user, am I not allowed to say “I wish Safari had this feature”? Why would somebody ever criticize Safari for lacking a feature they don’t desire?

masterof0 5y ago

I feel you, I'm a macOS user, and I love using Safari, but for Linux users/developers , not being able to test their web apps in Safari, just because they don't have access to a Mac, is ridiculous. If I were in that position, I would not support Safari, until I can afford a Mac, or just throw a warning banner in my site for Safari users.

vagrantJin 5y ago
> I feel you, I'm a macOS user, and I love using Safari, but for Linux users/developers , not being able to test their web apps in Safari, just because they don't have access to a Mac, is ridiculous I don't know. Maybe I'm reading too much into it but did you just feign empathy on linux developers and casually leave out the biggest developer group which happens to use Windows?
- akerl_ 5y ago
  The guidelines ask you to respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of a comment ( https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html ). Raising the point that Linux developers can’t validate their front end code on Safari from their standard workstation doesn’t imply that Linux developers are the only affected group.
marvinblum 5y ago
There is Epiphany: https://twitter.com/m5blum/status/1421412967007010819 https://twitter.com/m5blum/status/1421412967007010819
- mannerheim 5y ago
  I have seen Safari bugs that could not be reproduced in Epiphany