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:) While this was good advice under the dictatorship, it is not anymore. He specifically said he's not concerned about his physical safety. Tunisia is not like

by slim 5y ago

:) While this was good advice under the dictatorship, it is not anymore. He specifically said he's not concerned about his physical safety. Tunisia is not like saudi arabia or syria anymore. It's as safe as any western country. And he can easily check me out, I'm on HN since 2007.

908B64B197 5y ago
> It's as safe as any western country. Citation needed.
- caslon 5y ago
  Tunisia's life expectancy is 76.7 years. The United States's is 78.7 years. A difference of two years compared to the most wealthy nation on the planet is minor. In fact, your average person in Tunisia is likely to outlast your average person in many US States: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/life_expectancy/life_expectancy.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/life_expectancy/li...
  - sockaddr 5y ago
    This is either erroneous thinking or intentionally misleading. Conflating "outlasting" with "safe" is problem number 1. Problem number two is they said "any western country" and you picked one pretty far down the list. Many western countries have a life expectancy well into the 80's so your citation only works against their argument.
    - chakhs 5y ago
      it's clear that OP meant that there are no major differences in safety between Tunisia and a random western country. Meaning you don't have to worry about getting robbed or whatever more than you would in say, England. People don't speak with exactitude, it would be weird.
  - Zababa 5y ago
    And in France it's 82.7 years, the wealth of the US doesn't directly translate to good life expectancy, especially when you've got so many inequalities. The highest life expectancy is at 85 years in Japan. The average life exepctancy in the world in 72.6 years, 79 in Europe, 82.5 in Western Europe. With all due respect to Tunisia, it's better than average but still lower than "any western country".
    - 8note 5y ago
      The wealth of the US comes from a few people being extraordinarily wealthy. The p20 of wealth isn't great in the US
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    - refurb 5y ago
      Countries also count deaths differently. Some will count a premature baby at 26 weeks that dies as a death (the US), while others just say “it was never viable” so not a death. Don’t need to average very many “zeros” to bring down an average.
      - derriz 5y ago
        That sounds wrong. There’s a whole range of life expectancy metrics that are calculated carefully as they constitute a fundamental metric about a population in everything from the insurance industry to the health industry. Life expectancy metrics are heavily used for geographic and historic comparison as they have standard and specific definition. The starting age is always specified - e.g. life expectancy at 18 or 60 or whatever. When the age is not specified, the implied age is zero or “life expectancy at birth”. I’ve never heard of “life expectancy at conception” nor can think that one country would calculate it but use the value for “life expectancy at birth”.
        refurb 5y ago
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infant_mortality https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infant_mortality There is huge variability in how deaths are reported for newborns. “Many countries, however, including certain European states (e.g. France) and Japan, only count as live births cases where an infant breathes at birth, which makes their reported IMR numbers somewhat lower and increases their rates of perinatal mortality.[111] In the Czech Republic and Bulgaria, for instance, requirements for live birth are even higher.”
  - aaomidi 5y ago
    We're not talking averages here though are we? Generally dictatorships are *fine* if you don't get political.
    - vagrantJin 5y ago
      Thank you for pointing this out. The bad thing about Dictatorships is not the lack of freedom, it's the balancing act of resources and freedom. Wealthy dictatorships really are as chill as any rich democracy as long as you don't start poking the leadership with political ideas that don't benefit them. However, a lack of resources in Democracy or dictatorship will 100% result in civil unrest. Which is interesting because people always adapt to whatever situation they are in. I recall this lady being interviewed on Al Jezeera near the bombardment zone in the Gaza strip a few months ago. She was frustrated about little things like kids not going to school, a bus route being destroyed and what not. Nowhere in her statement did she mention that she and her family just had missles landing a few hundred meters away in the dead of night. Humans are interesting.
      - hutzlibu 5y ago
        "Wealthy dictatorships really are as chill as any rich democracy as long as you don't start poking the leadership with political ideas that don't benefit them." Unless of course you are in the way of some of the powerclique and they decide to take over your buisness or land without compensation. Or the spoiled son the of the dictator (or the dictator himself) wants to bang your daughter or your wife. And maybe kills her while doing so. And anyone witnessing or complaining. That means officially also in a dictatorship no one does that. People just go missing or have accidents. Or found guilty of some other "crime". Exaggerating? Well, I just read a book about Trujillo, the former dictator of the dominican republic, it is quite interesting. But he did not invented power abuse. Anywhere where there is unchecked power, those things happen.
        vagrantJin 5y ago
        And to your mind Bolivia is a thriving economic hub to warrant being a weathy dictatorship? Whatever the case may be, bad apples abound. Thats just human nature. Just because democratic leaders dont do things publicly, I think you should disabuse yourself of the notion that they are incapable of depraved acts of violence. Sexual or otherwise. Amd while they might not inflict such violence on their constituents - people from poorer countries have no such luck.
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  - lnxg33k1 5y ago
    If your idea of west is US, and think that it should be your target as a society, i think you're better as Tunisia
  - naeeqn 5y ago
    You do not want to use the US as your role model.
- slim 5y ago
  you can cite me. I live here. And I travelled a lot
  - whoaisme 5y ago
    I live in the US and I travel a lot, so I guess you can cite me as well when I say the idea that Tunisia is anything like the West is Lloyd thinking he has a chance with Mary. I mean it's really nice that your nation is stumbling toward a functioning democracy and all it took was a guy on fire and bunch of assassinations but get real lol
    - thereare5lights 5y ago
      How does Tunisia compare with say Alabama or Mississippi? edit: looks like my question hit a nerve with some people?
      - caslon 5y ago
        Better! Life expectancy at birth (in years): Alabama: 75.1 Mississippi: 74.6 Tunisia: 76.7
      - sunshineforever 5y ago
        My experience of living in the south after growing up elsewhere was absolutely a feeling of being sidelined from the full opportunity previously known to me. Its a bit like being in a hole. Everything is cheaper, including wages. Meaning its harder to leave than to enter.
        selimthegrim 5y ago
        I think the bigger problem is people just not taking you or natives there seriously. I could write a book on all the shenanigans faculty try to pull on people who they think haven't been to "real" R1 universities elsewhere, for example, and think they can get away with. NB: I live in Louisiana and my brother works for an international NGO but had based himself in Tunisia. He was supposed to fly back there Monday but delayed his flight a week. My friend was supposed to visit Yassine Ayari and she ended up arriving at his house right after he was arrested.
livinginfear 5y ago
> as safe as any western country... These haven't been that safe for free speech for a while now. The current US administration has clearly demonstrated that it's willing to use the full weight of the state against dissent. It's partnered with shadowy NGOs to create a chilling effect against dissenting voices online under the guise of 'hate speech'. If you live in America, (which I don't, and never plan to, thank goodness) I'd take notice of some of the posts here.
- rejectedandsad 5y ago
  It’s difficult to describe this as anything less than divorced from reality. Free speech is alive and well in America.
  - kaminar 5y ago
    Not really. It's only a matter of time until each and every right is removed...end game for the left has no end.
  - selimthegrim 5y ago
    You can't appeal to Supreme Court pro se anymore. Can you in Tunisia?
    - wolverine876 5y ago
      > You can't appeal to Supreme Court pro se anymore. Do you have a citation for that? Here's the US Supreme Court accepting a pro se appeal in 2019: https://www.abajournal.com/news/article/supreme-court-accepts-pro-se-appeal-that-could-upend-hundreds-of-convictions/ https://www.abajournal.com/news/article/supreme-court-accept...
      - selimthegrim 5y ago
        I think the issue is actually appearing before the Court, in your case Gershengorn will do it for the incarcerated litigant. https://abovethelaw.com/2013/07/r-i-p-pro-se-litigants-before-the-supreme-court/ https://abovethelaw.com/2013/07/r-i-p-pro-se-litigants-befor... https://newrepublic.com/article/158088/mr-sloan-went-washington https://newrepublic.com/article/158088/mr-sloan-went-washing...
nr2x 5y ago
Given the number of extra-judicial murders and beatings carried out by United States police, I'm not sure this is the selling point you think it is.
- NoImmatureAdHom 5y ago
  Though popular fodder for the media because they are profitable, killings by cops are extremely rare. I believe there are about 1000 murders-by-cop in the U.S. (a nation of 330,000,000 people) in a year, and in the vast, vast majority it is not at all ambiguous whether or not the cops acted in good faith. Picture someone running around stabbing people: the cops killing that person isn't something most people would find questionable.
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JackeJR 5y ago
But there is no way to confirm if this account had been compromised is there?
- slim 5y ago
  You need to rely on the fact that I am able to maintain the security of my public accounts and that if one of my accounts was compromised I would have detected it and published a notice on another channel (twitter for example)
  - AYBABTME 5y ago
    That's where Keybase works better IMO.

by slim 5y ago

908B64B197 5y ago

> It's as safe as any western country. Citation needed.

caslon 5y ago
Tunisia's life expectancy is 76.7 years. The United States's is 78.7 years. A difference of two years compared to the most wealthy nation on the planet is minor. In fact, your average person in Tunisia is likely to outlast your average person in many US States: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/life_expectancy/life_expectancy.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/life_expectancy/li...
- sockaddr 5y ago
  This is either erroneous thinking or intentionally misleading. Conflating "outlasting" with "safe" is problem number 1. Problem number two is they said "any western country" and you picked one pretty far down the list. Many western countries have a life expectancy well into the 80's so your citation only works against their argument.
  - chakhs 5y ago
    it's clear that OP meant that there are no major differences in safety between Tunisia and a random western country. Meaning you don't have to worry about getting robbed or whatever more than you would in say, England. People don't speak with exactitude, it would be weird.
- Zababa 5y ago
  And in France it's 82.7 years, the wealth of the US doesn't directly translate to good life expectancy, especially when you've got so many inequalities. The highest life expectancy is at 85 years in Japan. The average life exepctancy in the world in 72.6 years, 79 in Europe, 82.5 in Western Europe. With all due respect to Tunisia, it's better than average but still lower than "any western country".
  - 8note 5y ago
    The wealth of the US comes from a few people being extraordinarily wealthy. The p20 of wealth isn't great in the US
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]
  - refurb 5y ago
    Countries also count deaths differently. Some will count a premature baby at 26 weeks that dies as a death (the US), while others just say “it was never viable” so not a death. Don’t need to average very many “zeros” to bring down an average.
    - derriz 5y ago
      That sounds wrong. There’s a whole range of life expectancy metrics that are calculated carefully as they constitute a fundamental metric about a population in everything from the insurance industry to the health industry. Life expectancy metrics are heavily used for geographic and historic comparison as they have standard and specific definition. The starting age is always specified - e.g. life expectancy at 18 or 60 or whatever. When the age is not specified, the implied age is zero or “life expectancy at birth”. I’ve never heard of “life expectancy at conception” nor can think that one country would calculate it but use the value for “life expectancy at birth”.
      - refurb 5y ago
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infant_mortality https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infant_mortality There is huge variability in how deaths are reported for newborns. “Many countries, however, including certain European states (e.g. France) and Japan, only count as live births cases where an infant breathes at birth, which makes their reported IMR numbers somewhat lower and increases their rates of perinatal mortality.[111] In the Czech Republic and Bulgaria, for instance, requirements for live birth are even higher.”
- aaomidi 5y ago
  We're not talking averages here though are we? Generally dictatorships are *fine* if you don't get political.
  - vagrantJin 5y ago
    Thank you for pointing this out. The bad thing about Dictatorships is not the lack of freedom, it's the balancing act of resources and freedom. Wealthy dictatorships really are as chill as any rich democracy as long as you don't start poking the leadership with political ideas that don't benefit them. However, a lack of resources in Democracy or dictatorship will 100% result in civil unrest. Which is interesting because people always adapt to whatever situation they are in. I recall this lady being interviewed on Al Jezeera near the bombardment zone in the Gaza strip a few months ago. She was frustrated about little things like kids not going to school, a bus route being destroyed and what not. Nowhere in her statement did she mention that she and her family just had missles landing a few hundred meters away in the dead of night. Humans are interesting.
    - hutzlibu 5y ago
      "Wealthy dictatorships really are as chill as any rich democracy as long as you don't start poking the leadership with political ideas that don't benefit them." Unless of course you are in the way of some of the powerclique and they decide to take over your buisness or land without compensation. Or the spoiled son the of the dictator (or the dictator himself) wants to bang your daughter or your wife. And maybe kills her while doing so. And anyone witnessing or complaining. That means officially also in a dictatorship no one does that. People just go missing or have accidents. Or found guilty of some other "crime". Exaggerating? Well, I just read a book about Trujillo, the former dictator of the dominican republic, it is quite interesting. But he did not invented power abuse. Anywhere where there is unchecked power, those things happen.
      - vagrantJin 5y ago
        And to your mind Bolivia is a thriving economic hub to warrant being a weathy dictatorship? Whatever the case may be, bad apples abound. Thats just human nature. Just because democratic leaders dont do things publicly, I think you should disabuse yourself of the notion that they are incapable of depraved acts of violence. Sexual or otherwise. Amd while they might not inflict such violence on their constituents - people from poorer countries have no such luck.
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
- lnxg33k1 5y ago
  If your idea of west is US, and think that it should be your target as a society, i think you're better as Tunisia
- naeeqn 5y ago
  You do not want to use the US as your role model.
slim 5y ago
you can cite me. I live here. And I travelled a lot
- whoaisme 5y ago
  I live in the US and I travel a lot, so I guess you can cite me as well when I say the idea that Tunisia is anything like the West is Lloyd thinking he has a chance with Mary. I mean it's really nice that your nation is stumbling toward a functioning democracy and all it took was a guy on fire and bunch of assassinations but get real lol
  - thereare5lights 5y ago
    How does Tunisia compare with say Alabama or Mississippi? edit: looks like my question hit a nerve with some people?
    - caslon 5y ago
      Better! Life expectancy at birth (in years): Alabama: 75.1 Mississippi: 74.6 Tunisia: 76.7
    - sunshineforever 5y ago
      My experience of living in the south after growing up elsewhere was absolutely a feeling of being sidelined from the full opportunity previously known to me. Its a bit like being in a hole. Everything is cheaper, including wages. Meaning its harder to leave than to enter.
      - selimthegrim 5y ago
        I think the bigger problem is people just not taking you or natives there seriously. I could write a book on all the shenanigans faculty try to pull on people who they think haven't been to "real" R1 universities elsewhere, for example, and think they can get away with. NB: I live in Louisiana and my brother works for an international NGO but had based himself in Tunisia. He was supposed to fly back there Monday but delayed his flight a week. My friend was supposed to visit Yassine Ayari and she ended up arriving at his house right after he was arrested.

livinginfear 5y ago

> as safe as any western country... These haven't been that safe for free speech for a while now. The current US administration has clearly demonstrated that it's willing to use the full weight of the state against dissent. It's partnered with shadowy NGOs to create a chilling effect against dissenting voices online under the guise of 'hate speech'. If you live in America, (which I don't, and never plan to, thank goodness) I'd take notice of some of the posts here.

rejectedandsad 5y ago
It’s difficult to describe this as anything less than divorced from reality. Free speech is alive and well in America.
- kaminar 5y ago
  Not really. It's only a matter of time until each and every right is removed...end game for the left has no end.
- selimthegrim 5y ago
  You can't appeal to Supreme Court pro se anymore. Can you in Tunisia?
  - wolverine876 5y ago
    > You can't appeal to Supreme Court pro se anymore. Do you have a citation for that? Here's the US Supreme Court accepting a pro se appeal in 2019: https://www.abajournal.com/news/article/supreme-court-accepts-pro-se-appeal-that-could-upend-hundreds-of-convictions/ https://www.abajournal.com/news/article/supreme-court-accept...
    - selimthegrim 5y ago
      I think the issue is actually appearing before the Court, in your case Gershengorn will do it for the incarcerated litigant. https://abovethelaw.com/2013/07/r-i-p-pro-se-litigants-before-the-supreme-court/ https://abovethelaw.com/2013/07/r-i-p-pro-se-litigants-befor... https://newrepublic.com/article/158088/mr-sloan-went-washington https://newrepublic.com/article/158088/mr-sloan-went-washing...

nr2x 5y ago

Given the number of extra-judicial murders and beatings carried out by United States police, I'm not sure this is the selling point you think it is.

NoImmatureAdHom 5y ago
Though popular fodder for the media because they are profitable, killings by cops are extremely rare. I believe there are about 1000 murders-by-cop in the U.S. (a nation of 330,000,000 people) in a year, and in the vast, vast majority it is not at all ambiguous whether or not the cops acted in good faith. Picture someone running around stabbing people: the cops killing that person isn't something most people would find questionable.
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]

JackeJR 5y ago

But there is no way to confirm if this account had been compromised is there?

slim 5y ago
You need to rely on the fact that I am able to maintain the security of my public accounts and that if one of my accounts was compromised I would have detected it and published a notice on another channel (twitter for example)
- AYBABTME 5y ago
  That's where Keybase works better IMO.