7 ms·

yes, basically the argument against 'whataboutism'. however I have a hard time to process the idea of 'follow what I told you, not what I have done' attitude.

by wangii 5y ago

torstenvl 5y ago
The affluent Western minority is led by an anti-colonial rebellion whose record on this issue, while nowhere near perfect or even an absolute good, is the best of any major power in the history of humanity. When China says "You know what, China? No. We will not break our own agreement. How could you even suggest that? Hong Kong is sovereign" (as the United States recently did in McGirt v. Oklahoma), then we can talk about whataboutism. Until then, that kind of argument is utterly unconvincing.
- bllguo 5y ago
  Sure is easy to give ourselves a good grade when we're also the judges. Shall we discuss track records of interference in external affairs? How many foreign regimes have we toppled in comparison? Always disappointing to see such vitriolic rebuttals to the mere idea of considering a Chinese perspective.
  - torstenvl 5y ago
    I am very aware of the multitude of Chinese perspectives. I just happen to find your apologetics for Han fascism not to be one of the worthwhile ones. The very fact that you don't consider Cantonese who want to be free to be a "Chinese perspective" belies the perverse dishonesty and racism of your entire worldview. It's frankly quite rank to defend Beijing's interference in Hong Kong by insisting that, somehow, it's Westerners who aren't respecting others' rights to live by their own worldviews.
  - another_story 5y ago
    The issue is its not a Chinese perspective, it's the CCP perspective. The Hong Kong narrative inside the mainland is heavily guided by the media in China. You average Chinese person either has no opinion or just repeats the Party line, because they don't know much else.
- UIZealot 5y ago
  > When China says "You know what, China? No. We will not break our own agreement. How could you even suggest that? Hong Kong is sovereign" What on earth are you on? Ever heard of "one country, two systems"? One country? Oh wait, you're gonna tell me the "one country" refers to Hong Kong, aren't you?

yes, basically the argument against 'whataboutism'. however I have a hard time to process the idea of 'follow what I told you, not what I have done' attitude.

by wangii 5y ago

yes, basically the argument against 'whataboutism'. however I have a hard time to process the idea of 'follow what I told you, not what I have done' attitude.

torstenvl 5y ago

The affluent Western minority is led by an anti-colonial rebellion whose record on this issue, while nowhere near perfect or even an absolute good, is the best of any major power in the history of humanity. When China says "You know what, China? No. We will not break our own agreement. How could you even suggest that? Hong Kong is sovereign" (as the United States recently did in McGirt v. Oklahoma), then we can talk about whataboutism. Until then, that kind of argument is utterly unconvincing.

bllguo 5y ago
Sure is easy to give ourselves a good grade when we're also the judges. Shall we discuss track records of interference in external affairs? How many foreign regimes have we toppled in comparison? Always disappointing to see such vitriolic rebuttals to the mere idea of considering a Chinese perspective.
- torstenvl 5y ago
  I am very aware of the multitude of Chinese perspectives. I just happen to find your apologetics for Han fascism not to be one of the worthwhile ones. The very fact that you don't consider Cantonese who want to be free to be a "Chinese perspective" belies the perverse dishonesty and racism of your entire worldview. It's frankly quite rank to defend Beijing's interference in Hong Kong by insisting that, somehow, it's Westerners who aren't respecting others' rights to live by their own worldviews.
- another_story 5y ago
  The issue is its not a Chinese perspective, it's the CCP perspective. The Hong Kong narrative inside the mainland is heavily guided by the media in China. You average Chinese person either has no opinion or just repeats the Party line, because they don't know much else.
UIZealot 5y ago
> When China says "You know what, China? No. We will not break our own agreement. How could you even suggest that? Hong Kong is sovereign" What on earth are you on? Ever heard of "one country, two systems"? One country? Oh wait, you're gonna tell me the "one country" refers to Hong Kong, aren't you?