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Management isn't analysis of data, it is making a decision based on that analysis. A completely different and more complex problem. One could argue that the bor

Management isn't analysis of data, it is making a decision based on that analysis. A completely different and more complex problem. One could argue that the border between the two is unclear but we have for sure been automatizing the analysis and we are nowhere near removing the managers. Maybe we could say we have removed layers of management though

foobiekr 5y ago
I'm with the bet-the-house guy. I've worked for huge organizations since 1990 and I really think that even a mid-grade student project could make decisions as well as the management I've known, which includes multiple Fortune 50 CEOs. When I say "known" I mean "known" and not "been ten layers under." What I think will happen is CEOs will be glorified actors that are tasked with delivering the decisions some ML system has made. It'll be like the "white guy in a suit" role that some Chinese companies have.
- whall6 5y ago
  Because you knew every counter factual, right?
- snowwrestler 5y ago
  ML systems don’t make decisions. I feel like a lot of comments about what ML will do start with a misunderstanding of what ML actually is. Saying ML will make a CEO’s decisions is like saying Excel will make CEO’s decisions. Neither is anything more than a system for keeping track of correlations.
  - tomrod 5y ago
    ML models don't make decisions, but there certainly are ML systems, within which are ML models embedded with data flows, business logic, etc., which make "decisions" or "adjudications" or "classifications" or whatever term you are trying to avoid here.
  - foobiekr 5y ago
    Neither do most CEOs. What they do is best guess which fully evaluated option for (d)investment they like better based on gut feel. Most business-oriented decisions are basically stack ranking the options presented.
- eitally 5y ago
  This is basically where we are today, except that instead of AI it's management consultants (and they're expensive).
- bravura 5y ago
  There are strong reasons to believe that tasks that are new to humans and are considered difficult, will be easy to AI. Like programming, finance, strategy, etc Whereas things humans have developed over millions of years and think are easy, like vision, dexterity, etc might be quite hard and the last things to be automated.
StreamBright 5y ago
Absolutely. This is why it would be better to chose the best option without the management. I regularly consult management about technical decisions and the always chose something else than the best option. Based on feelings, opinions and kickback rates.
- actually_a_dog 5y ago
  > I regularly consult management about technical decisions.... Well, right there's your problem.

foobiekr 5y ago

I'm with the bet-the-house guy. I've worked for huge organizations since 1990 and I really think that even a mid-grade student project could make decisions as well as the management I've known, which includes multiple Fortune 50 CEOs. When I say "known" I mean "known" and not "been ten layers under." What I think will happen is CEOs will be glorified actors that are tasked with delivering the decisions some ML system has made. It'll be like the "white guy in a suit" role that some Chinese companies have.

whall6 5y ago
Because you knew every counter factual, right?
snowwrestler 5y ago
ML systems don’t make decisions. I feel like a lot of comments about what ML will do start with a misunderstanding of what ML actually is. Saying ML will make a CEO’s decisions is like saying Excel will make CEO’s decisions. Neither is anything more than a system for keeping track of correlations.
- tomrod 5y ago
  ML models don't make decisions, but there certainly are ML systems, within which are ML models embedded with data flows, business logic, etc., which make "decisions" or "adjudications" or "classifications" or whatever term you are trying to avoid here.
- foobiekr 5y ago
  Neither do most CEOs. What they do is best guess which fully evaluated option for (d)investment they like better based on gut feel. Most business-oriented decisions are basically stack ranking the options presented.
eitally 5y ago
This is basically where we are today, except that instead of AI it's management consultants (and they're expensive).
bravura 5y ago
There are strong reasons to believe that tasks that are new to humans and are considered difficult, will be easy to AI. Like programming, finance, strategy, etc Whereas things humans have developed over millions of years and think are easy, like vision, dexterity, etc might be quite hard and the last things to be automated.

StreamBright 5y ago

Absolutely. This is why it would be better to chose the best option without the management. I regularly consult management about technical decisions and the always chose something else than the best option. Based on feelings, opinions and kickback rates.

actually_a_dog 5y ago
> I regularly consult management about technical decisions.... Well, right there's your problem.