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Your username contains "foobar", which comes from the military acronym "FUBAR", which stands for "fucked up beyond all recognition". Should the tech world move

Your username contains "foobar", which comes from the military acronym "FUBAR", which stands for "fucked up beyond all recognition". Should the tech world move away from foobar as well? "Penetration" is not as offensive as "kill". Would you submit the s/SIGKILL/SIGNINE patch to any project?

colinmhayes 5y ago
It's unfortunate that developers seem to be unable to see the word "penetration" without making sexual jokes, but here we are.
- AnimalMuppet 5y ago
  True, but... the shirt quite deliberately made that innuendo. It's a bit more understandable to make the joke immediately after seeing the innuendo. Still unfortunate. But understandable.
munk-a 5y ago
On the topic of foobar - CS has pretty much wholly converted the usage away from FUBAR - "foo" and "bar" are now commonly used variable names that have a colorful history but aren't frequently associated with errors - they're more commonly associated with anonymous variables. I don't know about "Penetration" vs "kill" - I would agree that kill is objectively more offensive, but as an industry we've got an issue with sexual harassment not violence - so I don't know if kill really applies in it's offensive meaning here. All I know is that the jokes around "Penetration" need to die. In this particular scenario that specific "Do you like being penetrated line" was practically set up as a response to the shirt - it's a bad shirt to wear to a professional event. If we can just tone down the marketing I think it'll continue to die off as decorum is normalized. "I'm sorry, Fry, but astronomers renamed Uranus in 2620 to end that stupid joke once and for all."
- rcoveson 5y ago
  > On the topic of foobar - CS has pretty much wholly converted the usage away from FUBAR - "foo" and "bar" are now commonly used variable names that have a colorful history but aren't frequently associated with errors - they're more commonly associated with anonymous variables. That wasn't really the point I was trying to make. I don't think that it is problematic that foobar implies "fucked up beyond recognition". That is not an offensive phrase. It's a little uncouth, but not offensive on its own. And penetration is not an offensive concept! It's what we call one thing going into another thing. Sex also involves this, I am told. Even killing isn't inherently offensive. We kill germs and mosquitoes (and mysqld) frequently and intentionally. What really needs to happen is the accurate placement of blame. Like you say, the penetration jokes need to die (for the same reason the Uranus jokes needed to die in 2620). The penetration jokes directed at applicants by recruiters really need to die. But the use of the word "penetration" in security is not at fault, it's just an accurate term.
  - techbio 5y ago
    Call it "invading". For a bonus, it seems more accurately less of a win and more of a sin.

colinmhayes 5y ago

It's unfortunate that developers seem to be unable to see the word "penetration" without making sexual jokes, but here we are.

AnimalMuppet 5y ago
True, but... the shirt quite deliberately made that innuendo. It's a bit more understandable to make the joke immediately after seeing the innuendo. Still unfortunate. But understandable.

munk-a 5y ago

On the topic of foobar - CS has pretty much wholly converted the usage away from FUBAR - "foo" and "bar" are now commonly used variable names that have a colorful history but aren't frequently associated with errors - they're more commonly associated with anonymous variables. I don't know about "Penetration" vs "kill" - I would agree that kill is objectively more offensive, but as an industry we've got an issue with sexual harassment not violence - so I don't know if kill really applies in it's offensive meaning here. All I know is that the jokes around "Penetration" need to die. In this particular scenario that specific "Do you like being penetrated line" was practically set up as a response to the shirt - it's a bad shirt to wear to a professional event. If we can just tone down the marketing I think it'll continue to die off as decorum is normalized. "I'm sorry, Fry, but astronomers renamed Uranus in 2620 to end that stupid joke once and for all."

rcoveson 5y ago
> On the topic of foobar - CS has pretty much wholly converted the usage away from FUBAR - "foo" and "bar" are now commonly used variable names that have a colorful history but aren't frequently associated with errors - they're more commonly associated with anonymous variables. That wasn't really the point I was trying to make. I don't think that it is problematic that foobar implies "fucked up beyond recognition". That is not an offensive phrase. It's a little uncouth, but not offensive on its own. And penetration is not an offensive concept! It's what we call one thing going into another thing. Sex also involves this, I am told. Even killing isn't inherently offensive. We kill germs and mosquitoes (and mysqld) frequently and intentionally. What really needs to happen is the accurate placement of blame. Like you say, the penetration jokes need to die (for the same reason the Uranus jokes needed to die in 2620). The penetration jokes directed at applicants by recruiters really need to die. But the use of the word "penetration" in security is not at fault, it's just an accurate term.
- techbio 5y ago
  Call it "invading". For a bonus, it seems more accurately less of a win and more of a sin.