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You can see the shirt she wore at https://scontent.fapa1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.18172-8/23467459_1764130716933568_1577781541875017446_o.jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-3&_

by binkHN 5y ago

You can see the shirt she wore at https://scontent.fapa1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.18172-8/23467459_1764130716933568_1577781541875017446_o.jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=973b4a&_nc_ohc=vLOyScseZEAAX8yQK_s&_nc_ht=scontent.fapa1-1.fna&oh=2e49228c047f6a4b876bf173f4321114&oe=61295026 https://scontent.fapa1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.18172-8/2346745.... While I don’t condone this behavior, the back of the shirt says “When was the last time you were penetrated…”

jaywalk 5y ago
Which behavior do you not condone? Hers or the recruiters? Because it would be pretty damn hypocritical to be OK with one but not the other.
- binkHN 5y ago
  I was focusing on the Blizzard frat boy stuff, but the back of the shirt screams marketing innuendo that encourages it.
  - amanzi 5y ago
    I agree, and I wonder if she mentioned this shirt when the drama developed in 2017?
foobarian 5y ago
Perhaps it's time for the security industry to pick more appropriate word for "penetration" like much of the rest of the tech world did for various other outdated offensive keywords.
- techbio 5y ago
  Good point, but then the new word shows up on an adult-themed t-shirt.
- rcoveson 5y ago
  Your username contains "foobar", which comes from the military acronym "FUBAR", which stands for "fucked up beyond all recognition". Should the tech world move away from foobar as well? "Penetration" is not as offensive as "kill". Would you submit the s/SIGKILL/SIGNINE patch to any project?
  - colinmhayes 5y ago
    It's unfortunate that developers seem to be unable to see the word "penetration" without making sexual jokes, but here we are.
    - AnimalMuppet 5y ago
      True, but... the shirt quite deliberately made that innuendo. It's a bit more understandable to make the joke immediately after seeing the innuendo. Still unfortunate. But understandable.
  - munk-a 5y ago
    On the topic of foobar - CS has pretty much wholly converted the usage away from FUBAR - "foo" and "bar" are now commonly used variable names that have a colorful history but aren't frequently associated with errors - they're more commonly associated with anonymous variables. I don't know about "Penetration" vs "kill" - I would agree that kill is objectively more offensive, but as an industry we've got an issue with sexual harassment not violence - so I don't know if kill really applies in it's offensive meaning here. All I know is that the jokes around "Penetration" need to die. In this particular scenario that specific "Do you like being penetrated line" was practically set up as a response to the shirt - it's a bad shirt to wear to a professional event. If we can just tone down the marketing I think it'll continue to die off as decorum is normalized. "I'm sorry, Fry, but astronomers renamed Uranus in 2620 to end that stupid joke once and for all."
    - rcoveson 5y ago
      > On the topic of foobar - CS has pretty much wholly converted the usage away from FUBAR - "foo" and "bar" are now commonly used variable names that have a colorful history but aren't frequently associated with errors - they're more commonly associated with anonymous variables. That wasn't really the point I was trying to make. I don't think that it is problematic that foobar implies "fucked up beyond recognition". That is not an offensive phrase. It's a little uncouth, but not offensive on its own. And penetration is not an offensive concept! It's what we call one thing going into another thing. Sex also involves this, I am told. Even killing isn't inherently offensive. We kill germs and mosquitoes (and mysqld) frequently and intentionally. What really needs to happen is the accurate placement of blame. Like you say, the penetration jokes need to die (for the same reason the Uranus jokes needed to die in 2620). The penetration jokes directed at applicants by recruiters really need to die. But the use of the word "penetration" in security is not at fault, it's just an accurate term.
- Veen 5y ago
  While we're at it, we should ban the Unix utilities "finger", "strip", and "touch" because they have sexual connotations and rename "git" because it's an insult in British English.
  - salawat 5y ago
    If you forgot the /s remember sarcasm doesn't transmit well over the internet, and by not clearly indicating it, you encourage or legitimize the people your sarcasm is aimed at. Secondly, I find it oh so funny that people barge into a community and demand the language change because it's offensive to them, yet claim that they are being the tolerant ones.
    - Veen 5y ago
      > If you forgot the /s remember sarcasm doesn't transmit well over the internet, and by not clearly indicating it, you encourage or legitimize the people your sarcasm is aimed at. I didn't forget the /s. I declined to use it. There's a point at which a suggestion is so absurd a reasonable person is bound to interpret it as ironic. If they don't see the irony that's unfortunate, and 1) I wasn't talking to them and 2) their foolishness is only amplified if they feel legitimized.
infamouscow 5y ago
As I've said elsewhere, the burden is on Blizzard's recruiter to maintain a level of conduct that represents Blizzard appropriately. What's on the shirt is irrelevant.
- binkHN 5y ago
  Pot. Kettle. Black.

by binkHN 5y ago

jaywalk 5y ago

Which behavior do you not condone? Hers or the recruiters? Because it would be pretty damn hypocritical to be OK with one but not the other.

binkHN 5y ago
I was focusing on the Blizzard frat boy stuff, but the back of the shirt screams marketing innuendo that encourages it.
- amanzi 5y ago
  I agree, and I wonder if she mentioned this shirt when the drama developed in 2017?

foobarian 5y ago

Perhaps it's time for the security industry to pick more appropriate word for "penetration" like much of the rest of the tech world did for various other outdated offensive keywords.

techbio 5y ago
Good point, but then the new word shows up on an adult-themed t-shirt.
rcoveson 5y ago
Your username contains "foobar", which comes from the military acronym "FUBAR", which stands for "fucked up beyond all recognition". Should the tech world move away from foobar as well? "Penetration" is not as offensive as "kill". Would you submit the s/SIGKILL/SIGNINE patch to any project?
- colinmhayes 5y ago
  It's unfortunate that developers seem to be unable to see the word "penetration" without making sexual jokes, but here we are.
  - AnimalMuppet 5y ago
    True, but... the shirt quite deliberately made that innuendo. It's a bit more understandable to make the joke immediately after seeing the innuendo. Still unfortunate. But understandable.
- munk-a 5y ago
  On the topic of foobar - CS has pretty much wholly converted the usage away from FUBAR - "foo" and "bar" are now commonly used variable names that have a colorful history but aren't frequently associated with errors - they're more commonly associated with anonymous variables. I don't know about "Penetration" vs "kill" - I would agree that kill is objectively more offensive, but as an industry we've got an issue with sexual harassment not violence - so I don't know if kill really applies in it's offensive meaning here. All I know is that the jokes around "Penetration" need to die. In this particular scenario that specific "Do you like being penetrated line" was practically set up as a response to the shirt - it's a bad shirt to wear to a professional event. If we can just tone down the marketing I think it'll continue to die off as decorum is normalized. "I'm sorry, Fry, but astronomers renamed Uranus in 2620 to end that stupid joke once and for all."
  - rcoveson 5y ago
    > On the topic of foobar - CS has pretty much wholly converted the usage away from FUBAR - "foo" and "bar" are now commonly used variable names that have a colorful history but aren't frequently associated with errors - they're more commonly associated with anonymous variables. That wasn't really the point I was trying to make. I don't think that it is problematic that foobar implies "fucked up beyond recognition". That is not an offensive phrase. It's a little uncouth, but not offensive on its own. And penetration is not an offensive concept! It's what we call one thing going into another thing. Sex also involves this, I am told. Even killing isn't inherently offensive. We kill germs and mosquitoes (and mysqld) frequently and intentionally. What really needs to happen is the accurate placement of blame. Like you say, the penetration jokes need to die (for the same reason the Uranus jokes needed to die in 2620). The penetration jokes directed at applicants by recruiters really need to die. But the use of the word "penetration" in security is not at fault, it's just an accurate term.
Veen 5y ago
While we're at it, we should ban the Unix utilities "finger", "strip", and "touch" because they have sexual connotations and rename "git" because it's an insult in British English.
- salawat 5y ago
  If you forgot the /s remember sarcasm doesn't transmit well over the internet, and by not clearly indicating it, you encourage or legitimize the people your sarcasm is aimed at. Secondly, I find it oh so funny that people barge into a community and demand the language change because it's offensive to them, yet claim that they are being the tolerant ones.
  - Veen 5y ago
    > If you forgot the /s remember sarcasm doesn't transmit well over the internet, and by not clearly indicating it, you encourage or legitimize the people your sarcasm is aimed at. I didn't forget the /s. I declined to use it. There's a point at which a suggestion is so absurd a reasonable person is bound to interpret it as ironic. If they don't see the irony that's unfortunate, and 1) I wasn't talking to them and 2) their foolishness is only amplified if they feel legitimized.

infamouscow 5y ago

As I've said elsewhere, the burden is on Blizzard's recruiter to maintain a level of conduct that represents Blizzard appropriately. What's on the shirt is irrelevant.

binkHN 5y ago
Pot. Kettle. Black.