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Totally agree with this, the effort to retard development could have been better spent with a myriad of ecosystem destroying actions or geopolitical manipulatio

by wdwvt1 5y ago

Totally agree with this, the effort to retard development could have been better spent with a myriad of ecosystem destroying actions or geopolitical manipulations. Also just send the indestructible probe to kill every human... My bigger problem with this book was that the author seems to wholely confuse secrecy for strategy. The entire conceit behind the wallfacers seemed ridiculous to me. The best strategic plan need not be secret (eg MAD). Make it clear that humanity will destroy every planet in the solar system and you've got at least MAD in the centuries the trisolarians will take to arrive.

saiya-jin 5y ago
They cared about our stable single sun more than planets. We were not on the level to destroy our sun, or the planets themselves
gizmo686 5y ago
More spoilers below: They actualy did a fair amount of geopolitical manipulations. That formed most of the plot. In the end, it turned out to be MAD that saved us, but setting up the MAD scenario involved secrecy from them (or else they would have stopped us before we could trigger it), and from the rest of humanity (because an official plan to destroy Earth would never have been approved).
- wdwvt1 5y ago
  It seems like the manipulations were exceedingly silly. It seems like having the sophont start a nuclear war would be straightforward. It was hard for me to suspend disbelief in the sense that it had planet-sized computational power and the ability to manipulate some information on the subatomic level, but couldn't find a vulnerability in aging nuclear launch protocols? The history of near misses with human controlled nuclear weapons suggests a variety of vulnerabilities exist that wouldn't require e.g. directly hacking into command and control. Could it spoof images/data to a sub? Could it cause hallucinations in a large sensor array that feeds data to Norad or a Chinese/Russian equivalent? Re MAD: I think a plan to destroy Earth would have been easily approved - much like it was in 1960-now, with ICBM and SSBN retaliatory strike capability. Obviously somewhat different in that those MAD-based nuclear wars would be extinctive but not deny the planet to the trisolarians, but the idea that human governments aren't ready to commit to that seems wrong given our history.
  - bmh100 5y ago
    The aliens specifically wanted Earth because of its life. A nuclear war would damage the planet's ecosystem too much.
- shhsshs 5y ago
  > In the end, it turned out to be MAD that saved us Read the rest of the series and this answer gets more interesting. I will not say any more about the outcome (spoilers)

by wdwvt1 5y ago

saiya-jin 5y ago

They cared about our stable single sun more than planets. We were not on the level to destroy our sun, or the planets themselves

gizmo686 5y ago

More spoilers below: They actualy did a fair amount of geopolitical manipulations. That formed most of the plot. In the end, it turned out to be MAD that saved us, but setting up the MAD scenario involved secrecy from them (or else they would have stopped us before we could trigger it), and from the rest of humanity (because an official plan to destroy Earth would never have been approved).

wdwvt1 5y ago
It seems like the manipulations were exceedingly silly. It seems like having the sophont start a nuclear war would be straightforward. It was hard for me to suspend disbelief in the sense that it had planet-sized computational power and the ability to manipulate some information on the subatomic level, but couldn't find a vulnerability in aging nuclear launch protocols? The history of near misses with human controlled nuclear weapons suggests a variety of vulnerabilities exist that wouldn't require e.g. directly hacking into command and control. Could it spoof images/data to a sub? Could it cause hallucinations in a large sensor array that feeds data to Norad or a Chinese/Russian equivalent? Re MAD: I think a plan to destroy Earth would have been easily approved - much like it was in 1960-now, with ICBM and SSBN retaliatory strike capability. Obviously somewhat different in that those MAD-based nuclear wars would be extinctive but not deny the planet to the trisolarians, but the idea that human governments aren't ready to commit to that seems wrong given our history.
- bmh100 5y ago
  The aliens specifically wanted Earth because of its life. A nuclear war would damage the planet's ecosystem too much.
shhsshs 5y ago
> In the end, it turned out to be MAD that saved us Read the rest of the series and this answer gets more interesting. I will not say any more about the outcome (spoilers)