4 ms·

Oh, so you're going based on a few anecdotes. Well, not even anecdotes, just a lack of mentions. Its easy to find official blog posts of these companies and ot

Oh, so you're going based on a few anecdotes. Well, not even anecdotes, just a lack of mentions. Its easy to find official blog posts of these companies and other major enterprises describing how they use Scrum, that are much more recent than 10 years ago. I'm shocked you've never heard of the "Spotify Model" which has been compared to Scrum@Scale. Ask your friend!

chrisoverzero 5y ago
The Spotify model is about how people are arranged. It has nothing to do with development methodology or work tracking. From the whitepaper introducing the Spotify model (https://blog.crisp.se/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/SpotifyScaling.pdf https://blog.crisp.se/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/SpotifyScal...): > [Squads] are a self-organizing team and decide their own way of working – some use Scrum sprints, some use Kanban, some use a mix of these approaches.
- greggturkington 5y ago
  And here's a version that's 8 years more recent [1] > The foundation of the model is the squad and it acts like a Scrum team. The Spotify model resembles Scrum@Scale which is why I mentioned it. Scrum is a development methodology. 1. https://www.pmtoday.co.uk/spotify-scaling-agile-model/ https://www.pmtoday.co.uk/spotify-scaling-agile-model/
  - chrisoverzero 5y ago
    From your article: > Each of the squad has complete freedom to choose their agile methodology. So some squad uses Scrum sprints, some use Kanban and some uses mix of scrum and kanban. Sometimes to release early, squads apply the Most viable product (MVP) technique too. The Spotify model is not related to Scrum. It organizes people. How those people manage their work is not related to how the people are organized. An article explaining the Spotify model in terms of Scrum isn’t a counterexample to that.
- CRConrad 5y ago
  > some use Scrum sprints, some use Kanban, some use a mix of these approaches. Is there only one "The Official" ScrumBan, or can anyone make their own?
ekster 5y ago
It sounds like you are conflating scrum and agile. Lots of companies are still doing agile, few innovative ones (including the ones on this list) are doing scrum. Given that scrum is defined by its very specific rules and quite zealous about “scrum-but” being heresy I don’t think you can count kanban, spotify, or other models as scrum.
- greggturkington 5y ago
  Nope, talking about Scrum
jedberg 5y ago
Spotify uses agile and some of the teams use Scrum, but not the whole company. Also, I just talked to my friend who is an Eng manager at Apple, and they said almost no one uses Scrum at Apple anymore. Some teams use some of the methodology, but even those teams got rid of their Scrum masters.
- greggturkington 5y ago
  > Spotify uses agile and some of the teams use Scrum Wait, that contradicts what you just said. Your friend that works there hasn't mentioned Scrum in 10 years! Thanks for confirming that there are teams at Apple using Scrum, like I said. Dev teams at Apple are pretty insular, I'm surprised your friend knows about what every team is doing! Hopefully we can trust them more than your friend who was wrong about Spotify.

chrisoverzero 5y ago

The Spotify model is about how people are arranged. It has nothing to do with development methodology or work tracking. From the whitepaper introducing the Spotify model (https://blog.crisp.se/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/SpotifyScaling.pdf https://blog.crisp.se/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/SpotifyScal...): > [Squads] are a self-organizing team and decide their own way of working – some use Scrum sprints, some use Kanban, some use a mix of these approaches.

greggturkington 5y ago
And here's a version that's 8 years more recent [1] > The foundation of the model is the squad and it acts like a Scrum team. The Spotify model resembles Scrum@Scale which is why I mentioned it. Scrum is a development methodology. 1. https://www.pmtoday.co.uk/spotify-scaling-agile-model/ https://www.pmtoday.co.uk/spotify-scaling-agile-model/
- chrisoverzero 5y ago
  From your article: > Each of the squad has complete freedom to choose their agile methodology. So some squad uses Scrum sprints, some use Kanban and some uses mix of scrum and kanban. Sometimes to release early, squads apply the Most viable product (MVP) technique too. The Spotify model is not related to Scrum. It organizes people. How those people manage their work is not related to how the people are organized. An article explaining the Spotify model in terms of Scrum isn’t a counterexample to that.
CRConrad 5y ago
> some use Scrum sprints, some use Kanban, some use a mix of these approaches. Is there only one "The Official" ScrumBan, or can anyone make their own?

ekster 5y ago

It sounds like you are conflating scrum and agile. Lots of companies are still doing agile, few innovative ones (including the ones on this list) are doing scrum. Given that scrum is defined by its very specific rules and quite zealous about “scrum-but” being heresy I don’t think you can count kanban, spotify, or other models as scrum.

greggturkington 5y ago
Nope, talking about Scrum

jedberg 5y ago

Spotify uses agile and some of the teams use Scrum, but not the whole company. Also, I just talked to my friend who is an Eng manager at Apple, and they said almost no one uses Scrum at Apple anymore. Some teams use some of the methodology, but even those teams got rid of their Scrum masters.

greggturkington 5y ago
> Spotify uses agile and some of the teams use Scrum Wait, that contradicts what you just said. Your friend that works there hasn't mentioned Scrum in 10 years! Thanks for confirming that there are teams at Apple using Scrum, like I said. Dev teams at Apple are pretty insular, I'm surprised your friend knows about what every team is doing! Hopefully we can trust them more than your friend who was wrong about Spotify.