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You being obese doesn't infect my child of being obese. You not being vaccinated can infect my child and cause LongCovid How far to enforce this and where the

You being obese doesn't infect my child of being obese. You not being vaccinated can infect my child and cause LongCovid How far to enforce this and where the limit is and how to balance the different rights is a big debate happening on which I didn't make any claim. "You all can get vaccinated" however isn't enough, if nobody is being vaccinated. On a vaccination rate of 95% restrictions can't be upheld anymore as well. Where the point is between those I don't know.

ceilingcorner 5y ago
> You being obese doesn't infect my child of being obese. I wrote: > Being obese makes you more susceptible to most communicable diseases, colds, and flus I didn't say an obese person can infect others with obesity. I said they make it more likely that others will get infected with communicable diseases, colds, and flus. Exactly the same situation with the vaccinated and COVID.
- johannes1234321 5y ago
  Yes, but that's irrelevant for a discussion on restrictions for society. (One might argue how well a insurance of whatever kind should cover for obesity etc.) The discussion here was about COVID and need for restrictions and restrictions come from the infectious nature.
  - ceilingcorner 5y ago
    No, it isn't irrelevant. You seem to have missed my point entirely. An obese individual poses more risks to others than a non-obese individual. They are more susceptible to every disease, which means that if you interact with them in a public place, you are placed more at risk. Obesity itself is also starting to be deemed socially contagious. > TUESDAY, Jan. 23, 2018 (HealthDay News) -- Living in a neighborhood with a high rate of obesity might raise the odds that you and your children will become plus-sized, too. https://www.webmd.com/diet/obesity/news/20180123/is-obesity-contagious#1 https://www.webmd.com/diet/obesity/news/20180123/is-obesity-...
    - johannes1234321 5y ago
      Even in a society with lots of obese people I can make a choice to live healthy. For a child, which can't be vaccinated currently, a single contact with a single infected person can cause an infection and consequences. Quite different for me. And yes, obesity is bad and we need ways to delay with it (while for the article, i wonder a bit about cause and effect, but I don't wa t to debate this in this thread)
      - ceilingcorner 5y ago
        Again, you are not understanding the point I am making. It has nothing to do with living healthily. An obese person is more likely to have a communicable disease. Coming into contact with them can cause an infection. This is no different than COVID. Are you for banning obese people from public spaces? I fail to see the difference.
        johannes1234321 5y ago
        you understns dthe difference between social influence (seeing many obese people makes thst "normal", obese people often have unhealthy nutrition habits leading to corresponding offerings, ...) and a virus infection. And yes, I am for encouraging healthy lifestyle (while that alone isn't enough as there are genetical predeterminations etc.)
        Blaisorblade0 5y ago
        @ceilingcorner's main point is that, no matter how healthy you live, an obese person is more likely to infect you. I don't know if I buy that, but I agree none of your answers seem to be on point.
        ceilingcorner 5y ago
        > A group of Italian researchers recommends that obese individuals double their self-isolation time to 28 days, using research from influenza epidemics to argue that such individuals are more susceptible to infections similar to COVID-19 and can be contagious for longer periods of time. https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexandrasternlicht/2020/05/11/study-says-obese-people-should-quarantine-longer/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexandrasternlicht/2020/05/11/... > it has been clearly illustrated that obese patients are potentially more vulnerable to COVID-19 and more contagious than lean patients https://www.rcpjournals.org/content/clinmedicine/20/4/e109 https://www.rcpjournals.org/content/clinmedicine/20/4/e109 > Due to prolonged viral shedding, quarantine in obese subjects should likely be longer than normal weight individuals. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7130453/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7130453/

ceilingcorner 5y ago

> You being obese doesn't infect my child of being obese. I wrote: > Being obese makes you more susceptible to most communicable diseases, colds, and flus I didn't say an obese person can infect others with obesity. I said they make it more likely that others will get infected with communicable diseases, colds, and flus. Exactly the same situation with the vaccinated and COVID.

johannes1234321 5y ago
Yes, but that's irrelevant for a discussion on restrictions for society. (One might argue how well a insurance of whatever kind should cover for obesity etc.) The discussion here was about COVID and need for restrictions and restrictions come from the infectious nature.
- ceilingcorner 5y ago
  No, it isn't irrelevant. You seem to have missed my point entirely. An obese individual poses more risks to others than a non-obese individual. They are more susceptible to every disease, which means that if you interact with them in a public place, you are placed more at risk. Obesity itself is also starting to be deemed socially contagious. > TUESDAY, Jan. 23, 2018 (HealthDay News) -- Living in a neighborhood with a high rate of obesity might raise the odds that you and your children will become plus-sized, too. https://www.webmd.com/diet/obesity/news/20180123/is-obesity-contagious#1 https://www.webmd.com/diet/obesity/news/20180123/is-obesity-...
  - johannes1234321 5y ago
    Even in a society with lots of obese people I can make a choice to live healthy. For a child, which can't be vaccinated currently, a single contact with a single infected person can cause an infection and consequences. Quite different for me. And yes, obesity is bad and we need ways to delay with it (while for the article, i wonder a bit about cause and effect, but I don't wa t to debate this in this thread)
    - ceilingcorner 5y ago
      Again, you are not understanding the point I am making. It has nothing to do with living healthily. An obese person is more likely to have a communicable disease. Coming into contact with them can cause an infection. This is no different than COVID. Are you for banning obese people from public spaces? I fail to see the difference.
      - johannes1234321 5y ago
        you understns dthe difference between social influence (seeing many obese people makes thst "normal", obese people often have unhealthy nutrition habits leading to corresponding offerings, ...) and a virus infection. And yes, I am for encouraging healthy lifestyle (while that alone isn't enough as there are genetical predeterminations etc.)
        Blaisorblade0 5y ago
        @ceilingcorner's main point is that, no matter how healthy you live, an obese person is more likely to infect you. I don't know if I buy that, but I agree none of your answers seem to be on point.
        ceilingcorner 5y ago
        > A group of Italian researchers recommends that obese individuals double their self-isolation time to 28 days, using research from influenza epidemics to argue that such individuals are more susceptible to infections similar to COVID-19 and can be contagious for longer periods of time. https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexandrasternlicht/2020/05/11/study-says-obese-people-should-quarantine-longer/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexandrasternlicht/2020/05/11/... > it has been clearly illustrated that obese patients are potentially more vulnerable to COVID-19 and more contagious than lean patients https://www.rcpjournals.org/content/clinmedicine/20/4/e109 https://www.rcpjournals.org/content/clinmedicine/20/4/e109 > Due to prolonged viral shedding, quarantine in obese subjects should likely be longer than normal weight individuals. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7130453/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7130453/