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For those not a fan of proprietary chat systems, there's a few Rust leaning folk hanging out in #lad #jack #lv2 etc on libera.chat.

jcelerier 5y ago
Can confirm, I once tried to setup a community on discord and got my account banned without any possibility for appeal and without ever having idea of what went wrong, never again
- darthrupert 5y ago
  That FOSS projects choose Discord out of all the options shows a severe lack of judgment.
  - smoldesu 5y ago
    This doesn't seem to be for an OSS project? Just clicking around the forum, it seems to be about audio-related topics through the context of Rust, with no mention to software licensing or availability. Sure, I would have loved for this to be a Matrix server, but beggars can't be choosers. If the Rust audio devs are using Discord, that's where you have to go to find them.
    - blendergeek 5y ago
      https://github.com/RustAudio https://github.com/RustAudio They list their official Dicourse/Discord chat there. I believe this is a set of Free Software projects of a sort.
  - nitrogen 5y ago
    I've been an advocate for and developer of Free software for a very long time. But the UX of everything Free is just horribly bad. I've written a toy softsynth for myself in Ruby and was looking for some MIDI editing software that I could use to quickly throw some notes in a piano roll and draw some curves for various CCs, and export to a .mid. But everything was incredibly cumbersome. Of the several I tried, only Ardour even allowed the control of arbitrary CCs, and I had to dig to find it, and it wanted to create an entire directory hierarchy before I could even draw a single note. If there was going to be a Free revolution of people donating and volunteering to overthrow the proprietary software world, it would have happened a long time ago. Free software has an insurmountable design, development, and discovery problem. If I were looking to start a community today, and actually have people join it, I'd go where the people are, and that is Discord.
    - antihero 5y ago
      Yep, much as it has its drawbacks, Discord is where people jump in and get involved. Convenience wins.
    - evilsetg 5y ago
      Discord, as any free propreitary online service is fundamentally unaccountable. Their user support is non existent. They disabled my account without a concrete reason given and now will not answer my requests to tell me why they disabled it. I beg any community not to use Discord for it does not respect it's users. Please do not subject other people to that.
    - mxmilkiib 5y ago
      Linux took over the server market, and Matrix looks like it will take over the chat/VOIP market. Even if that requires top-down investment, it's still a win for FOSS. Edit; my midi sequencer recommendation would be sequencer64/seq66.
    - jancsika 5y ago
      > Free software has an insurmountable design, development, and discovery problem. Someone in the 80s probably wrote that free software has an insurmountable tooling, compiler, and operating system problem. The surmountable hurdle is for key free software developers to learn enough about design and discovery to honor and encourage the very few people who currently show up to do that work. If they made the experts feel like rock stars I'm sure more would turn up to do work for free. I offer as evidence the number of free software devs who work on free software tooling, compilers, and operating systems as evidence of this.
      - analognoise 5y ago
        I think the obvious lack of uptake of the free software for applications makes GP right.
      - qaq 5y ago
        Well as things stand now they are in most cases very well compensated employees of major companies who are working on these projects as part of their job.
  - duped 5y ago
    It's the path of least resistance.
  - bool3max 5y ago
    What a condenscending thing to say. Perhaps the maintainers simply aren't willing to waste valuable time and energy on inferior alternatives that attract fewer people. The usability and accessibility of a platform such as Discord simply can't compare with FOSS alternatives.
  - crs0 5y ago
    I donno, it's been working pretty well for us so far ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ The chat started off as a Telegram chat for some of us working on the Rust VST crate, but as we started discussing wider Rust audio topics, we found that the lack of "topics"/channels/whatever wasn't great. For better or worse, we chose Discord to migrate to, and it solved the channels issue for us. Migrating a community like this is a tough call in the first place; there's always going to be some people that don't want to use or install yet another chat app. Our goal was to fragment the community as little as possible, and a fair amount of people at the time already used Discord for other stuff. So, Discord it was. I think if we were migrating today I'd push harder to move to something open (probably Matrix?), but as of right now Discord has been a decent enough platform.
    - blendergeek 5y ago
      Unsolicited advice: Bridge the entire community to Matrix. Matrix allows rooms and communities from other services to be bridged in so that discussion can continue with people still tied to proprietary platforms. The Pine64 community has done this very well and I regularly use their chats via Matrix while others use IRC, Discord, or Telegram.
      - crs0 5y ago
        Noted. I haven't really looked into these bridges quite yet, but it is probably worth looking into sometime. I'll have to look into how well the bridges work; I don't know if I'd be too excited if all the cross-platform messages just showed up as a bot message with the user's name prepended to the message? Plus, it seems like it would be yet another thing to pay attention to for moderation/administration purposes (make sure something doesn't break, make sure nothing nefarious isn't going on in each server, etc). I will bring it up to the other admins/mods of the discord, though.
  - jcelerier 5y ago
    I wish that there were better ways but some niche discord servers have more members than the entirety of freenode / libera... sadly that's where the human beings are
  - mkw2000 5y ago
    Yea, what a mistake choosing the most popular and appropriate tool for the job
  - bsder 5y ago
    Agreed. The Rust Embedded folks saw what was coming and chose Matrix even back when it wasn't nearly as good as it is now. One of the things about the voting to make the choice was that a lot of people gave an informal thumbs down on alternatives to their main choice. Discord came in for a HUGE amount of thumb downs. No other option even came close. For some reason, a lot of people fail to estimate how many people really loathe Discord.
- agumonkey 5y ago
  zulip maybe ?

jcelerier 5y ago

Can confirm, I once tried to setup a community on discord and got my account banned without any possibility for appeal and without ever having idea of what went wrong, never again

darthrupert 5y ago
That FOSS projects choose Discord out of all the options shows a severe lack of judgment.
- smoldesu 5y ago
  This doesn't seem to be for an OSS project? Just clicking around the forum, it seems to be about audio-related topics through the context of Rust, with no mention to software licensing or availability. Sure, I would have loved for this to be a Matrix server, but beggars can't be choosers. If the Rust audio devs are using Discord, that's where you have to go to find them.
  - blendergeek 5y ago
    https://github.com/RustAudio https://github.com/RustAudio They list their official Dicourse/Discord chat there. I believe this is a set of Free Software projects of a sort.
- nitrogen 5y ago
  I've been an advocate for and developer of Free software for a very long time. But the UX of everything Free is just horribly bad. I've written a toy softsynth for myself in Ruby and was looking for some MIDI editing software that I could use to quickly throw some notes in a piano roll and draw some curves for various CCs, and export to a .mid. But everything was incredibly cumbersome. Of the several I tried, only Ardour even allowed the control of arbitrary CCs, and I had to dig to find it, and it wanted to create an entire directory hierarchy before I could even draw a single note. If there was going to be a Free revolution of people donating and volunteering to overthrow the proprietary software world, it would have happened a long time ago. Free software has an insurmountable design, development, and discovery problem. If I were looking to start a community today, and actually have people join it, I'd go where the people are, and that is Discord.
  - antihero 5y ago
    Yep, much as it has its drawbacks, Discord is where people jump in and get involved. Convenience wins.
  - evilsetg 5y ago
    Discord, as any free propreitary online service is fundamentally unaccountable. Their user support is non existent. They disabled my account without a concrete reason given and now will not answer my requests to tell me why they disabled it. I beg any community not to use Discord for it does not respect it's users. Please do not subject other people to that.
  - mxmilkiib 5y ago
    Linux took over the server market, and Matrix looks like it will take over the chat/VOIP market. Even if that requires top-down investment, it's still a win for FOSS. Edit; my midi sequencer recommendation would be sequencer64/seq66.
  - jancsika 5y ago
    > Free software has an insurmountable design, development, and discovery problem. Someone in the 80s probably wrote that free software has an insurmountable tooling, compiler, and operating system problem. The surmountable hurdle is for key free software developers to learn enough about design and discovery to honor and encourage the very few people who currently show up to do that work. If they made the experts feel like rock stars I'm sure more would turn up to do work for free. I offer as evidence the number of free software devs who work on free software tooling, compilers, and operating systems as evidence of this.
    - analognoise 5y ago
      I think the obvious lack of uptake of the free software for applications makes GP right.
    - qaq 5y ago
      Well as things stand now they are in most cases very well compensated employees of major companies who are working on these projects as part of their job.
- duped 5y ago
  It's the path of least resistance.
- bool3max 5y ago
  What a condenscending thing to say. Perhaps the maintainers simply aren't willing to waste valuable time and energy on inferior alternatives that attract fewer people. The usability and accessibility of a platform such as Discord simply can't compare with FOSS alternatives.
- crs0 5y ago
  I donno, it's been working pretty well for us so far ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ The chat started off as a Telegram chat for some of us working on the Rust VST crate, but as we started discussing wider Rust audio topics, we found that the lack of "topics"/channels/whatever wasn't great. For better or worse, we chose Discord to migrate to, and it solved the channels issue for us. Migrating a community like this is a tough call in the first place; there's always going to be some people that don't want to use or install yet another chat app. Our goal was to fragment the community as little as possible, and a fair amount of people at the time already used Discord for other stuff. So, Discord it was. I think if we were migrating today I'd push harder to move to something open (probably Matrix?), but as of right now Discord has been a decent enough platform.
  - blendergeek 5y ago
    Unsolicited advice: Bridge the entire community to Matrix. Matrix allows rooms and communities from other services to be bridged in so that discussion can continue with people still tied to proprietary platforms. The Pine64 community has done this very well and I regularly use their chats via Matrix while others use IRC, Discord, or Telegram.
    - crs0 5y ago
      Noted. I haven't really looked into these bridges quite yet, but it is probably worth looking into sometime. I'll have to look into how well the bridges work; I don't know if I'd be too excited if all the cross-platform messages just showed up as a bot message with the user's name prepended to the message? Plus, it seems like it would be yet another thing to pay attention to for moderation/administration purposes (make sure something doesn't break, make sure nothing nefarious isn't going on in each server, etc). I will bring it up to the other admins/mods of the discord, though.
- jcelerier 5y ago
  I wish that there were better ways but some niche discord servers have more members than the entirety of freenode / libera... sadly that's where the human beings are
- mkw2000 5y ago
  Yea, what a mistake choosing the most popular and appropriate tool for the job
- bsder 5y ago
  Agreed. The Rust Embedded folks saw what was coming and chose Matrix even back when it wasn't nearly as good as it is now. One of the things about the voting to make the choice was that a lot of people gave an informal thumbs down on alternatives to their main choice. Discord came in for a HUGE amount of thumb downs. No other option even came close. For some reason, a lot of people fail to estimate how many people really loathe Discord.
agumonkey 5y ago
zulip maybe ?