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How is this different from any other behavior? Being obese makes you more susceptible to most communicable diseases, colds, and flus, yet I don't see anyone ca

How is this different from any other behavior? Being obese makes you more susceptible to most communicable diseases, colds, and flus, yet I don't see anyone calling for Doritos to be banned and those with a BMI over 30 to be restricted from participating in society. At some point, you have to take personal responsibility. You cannot offload every single one of your personal health concerns on to the rest of the population.

saalweachter 5y ago
Haven't there been campaigns to ban sugary drinks?
- ceilingcorner 5y ago
  By certain over-zealous governments, yes. Michael Bloomberg, I'm looking at you. There is also a big difference between making sugary drinks expensive/banned and locking people that consume sugary drinks into their houses.
- matz1 5y ago
  There is but I'm glad that there is not enough support for it. It sucks if sugary drink is banned. In the end its always battle between two sides. The winer get to decide the rules.
unpopularopp 5y ago
>You cannot offload every single one of your personal health concerns on to the rest of the population. I'm not from the US but this also a very good sum up why the US will never ever have universal health care
forcry 5y ago
>How is this different from any other behavior? Other behaviour does not cost any business money. People being obese makes businesses money, so why would they fund propoganda to stop it? Leave obesity, what about water pollution? Do we still remember the events portrayed in movies like Darkwater and documentries like "What lies upstream"? How CDC just stood by while an entire area of human population were being subject to toxic water and produce getting cancer and other serious health issues.. After nearly 5 decades after the events shown in the movie DarkWaters, PFOA is still unregulated in many developing countries. Where is the health agencies that so want to "save lives", doing something about it. F*k the whole lot of them! Unvaccinated are a huge risk to the perception that being vaccinated is better option. Bret Weinstein talks about it in their podcast. If most people are vaccinated, then the vaccinated cannot be easily compared against the unvaccinated. So if just in case the vaccine didn't work as expected, it would be very clear by comparing these two populations. Which could be why the push to vaccinate everyone.
- ceilingcorner 5y ago
  Virtually everyone that owns stock or an online business has made a killing during the lockdowns. If we lived in the United States of Amazon, I have no doubt that President Bezos would initiate permanent lockdowns. Otherwise yeah those are good points.
johannes1234321 5y ago
You being obese doesn't infect my child of being obese. You not being vaccinated can infect my child and cause LongCovid How far to enforce this and where the limit is and how to balance the different rights is a big debate happening on which I didn't make any claim. "You all can get vaccinated" however isn't enough, if nobody is being vaccinated. On a vaccination rate of 95% restrictions can't be upheld anymore as well. Where the point is between those I don't know.
- ceilingcorner 5y ago
  > You being obese doesn't infect my child of being obese. I wrote: > Being obese makes you more susceptible to most communicable diseases, colds, and flus I didn't say an obese person can infect others with obesity. I said they make it more likely that others will get infected with communicable diseases, colds, and flus. Exactly the same situation with the vaccinated and COVID.
  - johannes1234321 5y ago
    Yes, but that's irrelevant for a discussion on restrictions for society. (One might argue how well a insurance of whatever kind should cover for obesity etc.) The discussion here was about COVID and need for restrictions and restrictions come from the infectious nature.
    - ceilingcorner 5y ago
      No, it isn't irrelevant. You seem to have missed my point entirely. An obese individual poses more risks to others than a non-obese individual. They are more susceptible to every disease, which means that if you interact with them in a public place, you are placed more at risk. Obesity itself is also starting to be deemed socially contagious. > TUESDAY, Jan. 23, 2018 (HealthDay News) -- Living in a neighborhood with a high rate of obesity might raise the odds that you and your children will become plus-sized, too. https://www.webmd.com/diet/obesity/news/20180123/is-obesity-contagious#1 https://www.webmd.com/diet/obesity/news/20180123/is-obesity-...

saalweachter 5y ago

Haven't there been campaigns to ban sugary drinks?

ceilingcorner 5y ago
By certain over-zealous governments, yes. Michael Bloomberg, I'm looking at you. There is also a big difference between making sugary drinks expensive/banned and locking people that consume sugary drinks into their houses.
matz1 5y ago
There is but I'm glad that there is not enough support for it. It sucks if sugary drink is banned. In the end its always battle between two sides. The winer get to decide the rules.

unpopularopp 5y ago

>You cannot offload every single one of your personal health concerns on to the rest of the population. I'm not from the US but this also a very good sum up why the US will never ever have universal health care

forcry 5y ago

>How is this different from any other behavior? Other behaviour does not cost any business money. People being obese makes businesses money, so why would they fund propoganda to stop it? Leave obesity, what about water pollution? Do we still remember the events portrayed in movies like Darkwater and documentries like "What lies upstream"? How CDC just stood by while an entire area of human population were being subject to toxic water and produce getting cancer and other serious health issues.. After nearly 5 decades after the events shown in the movie DarkWaters, PFOA is still unregulated in many developing countries. Where is the health agencies that so want to "save lives", doing something about it. F*k the whole lot of them! Unvaccinated are a huge risk to the perception that being vaccinated is better option. Bret Weinstein talks about it in their podcast. If most people are vaccinated, then the vaccinated cannot be easily compared against the unvaccinated. So if just in case the vaccine didn't work as expected, it would be very clear by comparing these two populations. Which could be why the push to vaccinate everyone.

ceilingcorner 5y ago
Virtually everyone that owns stock or an online business has made a killing during the lockdowns. If we lived in the United States of Amazon, I have no doubt that President Bezos would initiate permanent lockdowns. Otherwise yeah those are good points.

johannes1234321 5y ago

You being obese doesn't infect my child of being obese. You not being vaccinated can infect my child and cause LongCovid How far to enforce this and where the limit is and how to balance the different rights is a big debate happening on which I didn't make any claim. "You all can get vaccinated" however isn't enough, if nobody is being vaccinated. On a vaccination rate of 95% restrictions can't be upheld anymore as well. Where the point is between those I don't know.

ceilingcorner 5y ago
> You being obese doesn't infect my child of being obese. I wrote: > Being obese makes you more susceptible to most communicable diseases, colds, and flus I didn't say an obese person can infect others with obesity. I said they make it more likely that others will get infected with communicable diseases, colds, and flus. Exactly the same situation with the vaccinated and COVID.
- johannes1234321 5y ago
  Yes, but that's irrelevant for a discussion on restrictions for society. (One might argue how well a insurance of whatever kind should cover for obesity etc.) The discussion here was about COVID and need for restrictions and restrictions come from the infectious nature.
  - ceilingcorner 5y ago
    No, it isn't irrelevant. You seem to have missed my point entirely. An obese individual poses more risks to others than a non-obese individual. They are more susceptible to every disease, which means that if you interact with them in a public place, you are placed more at risk. Obesity itself is also starting to be deemed socially contagious. > TUESDAY, Jan. 23, 2018 (HealthDay News) -- Living in a neighborhood with a high rate of obesity might raise the odds that you and your children will become plus-sized, too. https://www.webmd.com/diet/obesity/news/20180123/is-obesity-contagious#1 https://www.webmd.com/diet/obesity/news/20180123/is-obesity-...