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Welcome to identity politics, where you don't have a crippling mental illness, you're just neurologically diverse, you're not morbidly obese and dying of diabet

Welcome to identity politics, where you don't have a crippling mental illness, you're just neurologically diverse, you're not morbidly obese and dying of diabetes, you're just body-size diverse, and so on. Everything about you will be commodified and sold to you as a pre-packaged identity, a very complete offer including lifestyle, medias, community and political opinions. You're not you anymore and you don't need to be, you're your culture, skin color, sexual orientation, gender identity, disabilities, etc. You get your own little bubble, very safe, very inclusive. You just have to play by the rules and keep producing and consuming. I have ADHD too, I have to realize that I'm not a mentally ill individual with a brain largely unfit to live in this world if you don't pump me full of Ritalin. I don't have neurological issues, I'm just different! The world should accomodate to my existence instead of sending me to a psychiatrist who will try to "fix" me and my brain! (That was sarcasm for all you neurodivergents that don't get it.)

zepto 5y ago
Generally ADHD is not classified as a mental illness by diagnostic models. Many mental illnesses are comorbidities of adhd though.
- caddemon 5y ago
  Maybe a long time ago, but ADHD is in the DSM-5 and the ICD-11 now, which are the main references for diagnosis of mental illnesses. ADHD has a direct impact on abilities like emotion regulation and impulse control, it makes much more sense to classify it as a mental disorder than a learning disorder (or whatever other misconceptions used to exist).
  - zepto 5y ago
    > which are the main references for diagnosis of mental illnesses. They are also references for the diagnosis of neurological disorders. ADHD may be a neurological disorder but that doesn’t make it a mental illness.
    - caddemon 5y ago
      DSM-5 literally stands for "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition". It does not include things like epilepsy, migraine, cluster headaches, stroke, or brain tumor. It doesn't even really include diseases such as Alzheimer's and Parkinson's - notice that the coding is "neurocognitive decline due to" AD/PD/etc. It is not meant for primary diagnosis of these diseases. It is meant for diagnosis of mental health issues, which can result from a variety of causes we understand to varying degrees. All psychiatric diseases will likely fall under neurology some day, probably split into many more different disorders. Although you could make a case they should already be considered neurology, I think that needs to be an all or nothing decision. People that try to split out a handful of the psychiatric disorders are just perpetuating stigma. At this very moment there is more scientific evidence linking Schizophrenia to brain abnormalities than there is for ADHD (mostly as a result of more Schizophrenia neuro research occuring), yet I don't see anyone trying to call Schizophrenia neurological and ADHD not. I wonder why... So if you think they are all neurological disorders fine, but ADHD is absolutely more similar to the disorders we would cluster under psychiatry than the disorders we would cluster under neurology. It is diagnosed purely via behavioral assessment, not biomarkers or brain scans. It directly impacts motivation levels, self control, and emotion regulation. If that's not mental I'm not sure what is. It's also directly covered by NIMH funding, so pretty clearly it is considered a mental illness by the medical community, yet your original claim was that it is not - not that it shouldn't be.
      - zepto 5y ago
        > It is diagnosed purely via behavioral assessment, not biomarkers or brain scans. It directly impacts motivation levels, self control, and emotion regulation. If that's not mental I'm not sure what is. Nobody is arguing it’s not mental. I haven’t said it’s not a disorder. You seem to address everything except the fact that nowhere does the DSM call ADHD a mental illness. That is something you are saying and has nothing to do with the DSM. If you are determined to call people who have ADHD, “mentally ill”, you are free to do so, but is isn’t supported by the DSM.
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place_holder 5y ago
Somehow 'me' cought myself sometimes observing older people parrotting problems unfiltered, with no solution... or at least problemes with no easy solutions... The last time someone grasped in front of my screen about mental illness, the _easy_sollution_ was 'change only one thing in your life,', 'to not overload' and the praised solution came easy as words can sound, 'just try to change "your sourrounding"; your job, food and consume, your home and do sports -to be member in a team- and to make new relationships...' With other words: 'Some people want to give you a taste in form of a free trial', but that may be their 'business model' -what seems to be life (?!) ^^ ...with an algorithmic profile neurosis !? (-;

zepto 5y ago

Generally ADHD is not classified as a mental illness by diagnostic models. Many mental illnesses are comorbidities of adhd though.

caddemon 5y ago
Maybe a long time ago, but ADHD is in the DSM-5 and the ICD-11 now, which are the main references for diagnosis of mental illnesses. ADHD has a direct impact on abilities like emotion regulation and impulse control, it makes much more sense to classify it as a mental disorder than a learning disorder (or whatever other misconceptions used to exist).
- zepto 5y ago
  > which are the main references for diagnosis of mental illnesses. They are also references for the diagnosis of neurological disorders. ADHD may be a neurological disorder but that doesn’t make it a mental illness.
  - caddemon 5y ago
    DSM-5 literally stands for "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition". It does not include things like epilepsy, migraine, cluster headaches, stroke, or brain tumor. It doesn't even really include diseases such as Alzheimer's and Parkinson's - notice that the coding is "neurocognitive decline due to" AD/PD/etc. It is not meant for primary diagnosis of these diseases. It is meant for diagnosis of mental health issues, which can result from a variety of causes we understand to varying degrees. All psychiatric diseases will likely fall under neurology some day, probably split into many more different disorders. Although you could make a case they should already be considered neurology, I think that needs to be an all or nothing decision. People that try to split out a handful of the psychiatric disorders are just perpetuating stigma. At this very moment there is more scientific evidence linking Schizophrenia to brain abnormalities than there is for ADHD (mostly as a result of more Schizophrenia neuro research occuring), yet I don't see anyone trying to call Schizophrenia neurological and ADHD not. I wonder why... So if you think they are all neurological disorders fine, but ADHD is absolutely more similar to the disorders we would cluster under psychiatry than the disorders we would cluster under neurology. It is diagnosed purely via behavioral assessment, not biomarkers or brain scans. It directly impacts motivation levels, self control, and emotion regulation. If that's not mental I'm not sure what is. It's also directly covered by NIMH funding, so pretty clearly it is considered a mental illness by the medical community, yet your original claim was that it is not - not that it shouldn't be.
    - zepto 5y ago
      > It is diagnosed purely via behavioral assessment, not biomarkers or brain scans. It directly impacts motivation levels, self control, and emotion regulation. If that's not mental I'm not sure what is. Nobody is arguing it’s not mental. I haven’t said it’s not a disorder. You seem to address everything except the fact that nowhere does the DSM call ADHD a mental illness. That is something you are saying and has nothing to do with the DSM. If you are determined to call people who have ADHD, “mentally ill”, you are free to do so, but is isn’t supported by the DSM.
      - deleted 5y ago

place_holder 5y ago

Somehow 'me' cought myself sometimes observing older people parrotting problems unfiltered, with no solution... or at least problemes with no easy solutions... The last time someone grasped in front of my screen about mental illness, the _easy_sollution_ was 'change only one thing in your life,', 'to not overload' and the praised solution came easy as words can sound, 'just try to change "your sourrounding"; your job, food and consume, your home and do sports -to be member in a team- and to make new relationships...' With other words: 'Some people want to give you a taste in form of a free trial', but that may be their 'business model' -what seems to be life (?!) ^^ ...with an algorithmic profile neurosis !? (-;