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> Rich white males can murder and rape here and nobody cares! Vincent Chin's murderers didn't get any jail time. The woman who falsely accused Emmett Till is s

by knolax 5y ago

> Rich white males can murder and rape here and nobody cares! Vincent Chin's murderers didn't get any jail time. The woman who falsely accused Emmett Till is still alive and well. It took months of rioting for them to begin convicting people like Chauvin instead of just giving them paid vacations. I don't know the situation in Germany but at least in the US that statement isn't far from the truth.

busymom0 5y ago
Since we are comparing random events, I would mention: 1. Al Sharpton, from the famous Tawana Vicenia Brawley rape hoax where she accused four white men of raping and other crimes, has a MSNBC contract and is living life. 2. Tony Timpa, rich white male, pleaded for help more than 30 times and died - prosecutors dismissed charges against the officers after they were indicted by a Grand Jury. Then the officers returned back to work last year. https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/tony-timpa/ https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/tony-timpa/ This is not a race problem. It's bad people getting hired to become cops and then unions and prosecutors protecting them problem.
- nailer 5y ago
  agreed, but to add: it’s framed as a race problem because the media over proportionately report on interracial violence.
  - hellgas00 5y ago
    Divide and conquer, as old as politics and war. In this case, populist resentment is the obstacle.
  - fidesomnes 5y ago
    actually the media white washes black on white crimes, lightens pictures to make dark suspects look whiter, frequently refuses to show black perpetrators "for fear of raising stereotypes," and refuses to report on the extent of black on white crimes, for decades. This is documented by any cursory review of FBI crime statistics. You probably don't even know about the white girls raped killed and fed to alligators or tortured for days before being murdered. You probably don't even know the demographics of mass shooters which are surprise surprise, not good for your narrative.
  - nailer 5y ago
    Not sure why this is downmodded - fbi.gov stats report that an in an interaction with police, a white person is more likely to be killed than a black American person.
- knolax 5y ago
  > Tawana Vicenia Brawley That casea didn't even pass the grand jury. Compared to Ronnie Long who got 44 Years when the races were reversed. > 2. Tony Timpa "Random events" is a funny way to say a consistent pattern of Whites police killing mostly nonwhites and White murderers and lynch mobs getting away with no consequences. Vincent Chin's death was racially motivated and the all white jury punish to convict his murderers. That is a race problem. > Black women and men and American Indian and Alaska Native women and men are significantly more likely than white women and men to be killed by police. Latino men are also more likely to be killed by police than are white men. [0] [0] https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793 https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793 [1] https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/28/us/ronnie-long-nc-wrongful-conviction-trnd/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/28/us/ronnie-long-nc-wrongful-co...
  - busymom0 5y ago
    None of your claims represent the full truth as "X race are more likely to be killed by police" means nothing if they are more likely to be armed. These are also sourced from WaPo - as left leaning as they come. WaPo has logged all fatal police shootings since 2015 in this database: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/police-shootings-2019/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/police... Despite their headline, the data tells you a different story. In 2019 there were a total of 999 killings. 858 shootings in which the race was noted. 405 killed were white, 249 were black. Blacks were significantly more likely to have a deadly weapon than a white suspect. Yet more white suspects were killed. There were ONLY 12 cases where the blacks were unarmed - 11 men and 1 women. 7 of these cases - the suspect attacked the cop with eyewitness or camera footage corroboration confirming it. Out of the rest - 1 was an apparent accident. 2 cases - the cop was charged. The others were ongoing investigation when I researched this last year. So simply saying "X race are more likely to be killed by police" doesn't mean anything when vast majority of them were armed or attacked the cop visible on camera and witnesses. These are hard facts which media, especially CNN, won't tell you. Here's more. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/polic... For 2019: 12 unarmed blacks were shot and killed. 26 unarmed whites were shot and killed. 11 unarmed hispanics were shot and killed. For 2020: 18 unarmed blacks were shot and killed. 26 unarmed whites were shot and killed. 10 unarmed hispanics were shot and killed. For 2021: 4 unarmed blacks were shot and killed. 6 unarmed whites were shot and killed. 2 unarmed hispanics were shot and killed. These numbers don't align with the narrative of "innocent blacks are significantly more likely to be killed than white". https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/topic-pages/tables/table-21 https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-... So despite being 13% population, in 2016 blacks committed 53% of murders, 54% robberies, 43% weapons offences, 38% of all violent crimes. Should the demographic committing 53% of murders not get expected to get shot? Should cops simply not shoot and get shot instead when the other person is armed or attacks them? Should Jacob Blake or Ricardo Munoz have not been shot when both were about to attack the cops with a knife? This isn't even about racism/bias in the data as shown here that whites are arrested 71.0% for "Drug abuse violations" vs 26.7% for blacks, whites commit more rapes at 67.6% vs 29.1% for blacks: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/topic-pages/tables/table-21 https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-... If this was about numbers lying because of some bias, why won't they also lie about whites commiting significantly more rapes and drugs? Obviously murder is a much worse crime than rape or drug and therefore more shootings for that demographic. Also if we look at a diverse city like Philadelphia - residents are 44.1 percent black, 35.8 percent white, 13.6 percent Latino and 7.2 percent Asian. Hispanics and then black officers are more likely to shoot an unarmed black suspect as compared to a white officer. Stats for unarmed blacks shot by cops: https://www.phillypolice.com/assets/directives/cops-w0753-pub.pdf https://www.phillypolice.com/assets/directives/cops-w0753-pu... Page 32 Definition of OIS (Officer involved shooting) is on page 17 Definition of TPFs (threat perception failures) is on page 30 TPF of white officer against black suspect is 6.8 TPF of black officer against black suspect is 11.4 TPF of hispanic officer against black suspect is 16.7 Aka Hispanics and then black officers are more likely to shoot an unarmed black suspect. The claim that white officers are more likely to kill black suspects because of racism is complete nonsense. White cops are the least likely to kill unarmed blacks. (Stats for asian cops isn't available as it's negligible.) As I have stated before, this is not about race - I am simply stating them because that's usually what talking points care about. We can complain about police brutality all we want but until we fix the root cause of the problem, nothing will change. Blacks realize this and that's why eighty-one percent (81%) of black Americans and eight-three percent (83%) of Hispanic Americans want either the police presence to remain the same (a majority) or to be increased (opposite of what their often white "liberal saviors" want): https://news.gallup.com/poll/316571/black-americans-police-retain-local-presence.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/316571/black-americans-police-r... One more thing - to get rid of bad cops - we should be doing exact opposite of what current policies encourage. Aka we should maybe look at removing police unions which are the reason bad cops stay protected. Same with teachers unions which let bad teachers stay around.

by knolax 5y ago

busymom0 5y ago

Since we are comparing random events, I would mention: 1. Al Sharpton, from the famous Tawana Vicenia Brawley rape hoax where she accused four white men of raping and other crimes, has a MSNBC contract and is living life. 2. Tony Timpa, rich white male, pleaded for help more than 30 times and died - prosecutors dismissed charges against the officers after they were indicted by a Grand Jury. Then the officers returned back to work last year. https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/tony-timpa/ https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/tony-timpa/ This is not a race problem. It's bad people getting hired to become cops and then unions and prosecutors protecting them problem.

nailer 5y ago
agreed, but to add: it’s framed as a race problem because the media over proportionately report on interracial violence.
- hellgas00 5y ago
  Divide and conquer, as old as politics and war. In this case, populist resentment is the obstacle.
- fidesomnes 5y ago
  actually the media white washes black on white crimes, lightens pictures to make dark suspects look whiter, frequently refuses to show black perpetrators "for fear of raising stereotypes," and refuses to report on the extent of black on white crimes, for decades. This is documented by any cursory review of FBI crime statistics. You probably don't even know about the white girls raped killed and fed to alligators or tortured for days before being murdered. You probably don't even know the demographics of mass shooters which are surprise surprise, not good for your narrative.
- nailer 5y ago
  Not sure why this is downmodded - fbi.gov stats report that an in an interaction with police, a white person is more likely to be killed than a black American person.
knolax 5y ago
> Tawana Vicenia Brawley That casea didn't even pass the grand jury. Compared to Ronnie Long who got 44 Years when the races were reversed. > 2. Tony Timpa "Random events" is a funny way to say a consistent pattern of Whites police killing mostly nonwhites and White murderers and lynch mobs getting away with no consequences. Vincent Chin's death was racially motivated and the all white jury punish to convict his murderers. That is a race problem. > Black women and men and American Indian and Alaska Native women and men are significantly more likely than white women and men to be killed by police. Latino men are also more likely to be killed by police than are white men. [0] [0] https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793 https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793 [1] https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/28/us/ronnie-long-nc-wrongful-conviction-trnd/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/28/us/ronnie-long-nc-wrongful-co...
- busymom0 5y ago
  None of your claims represent the full truth as "X race are more likely to be killed by police" means nothing if they are more likely to be armed. These are also sourced from WaPo - as left leaning as they come. WaPo has logged all fatal police shootings since 2015 in this database: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/police-shootings-2019/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/police... Despite their headline, the data tells you a different story. In 2019 there were a total of 999 killings. 858 shootings in which the race was noted. 405 killed were white, 249 were black. Blacks were significantly more likely to have a deadly weapon than a white suspect. Yet more white suspects were killed. There were ONLY 12 cases where the blacks were unarmed - 11 men and 1 women. 7 of these cases - the suspect attacked the cop with eyewitness or camera footage corroboration confirming it. Out of the rest - 1 was an apparent accident. 2 cases - the cop was charged. The others were ongoing investigation when I researched this last year. So simply saying "X race are more likely to be killed by police" doesn't mean anything when vast majority of them were armed or attacked the cop visible on camera and witnesses. These are hard facts which media, especially CNN, won't tell you. Here's more. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/polic... For 2019: 12 unarmed blacks were shot and killed. 26 unarmed whites were shot and killed. 11 unarmed hispanics were shot and killed. For 2020: 18 unarmed blacks were shot and killed. 26 unarmed whites were shot and killed. 10 unarmed hispanics were shot and killed. For 2021: 4 unarmed blacks were shot and killed. 6 unarmed whites were shot and killed. 2 unarmed hispanics were shot and killed. These numbers don't align with the narrative of "innocent blacks are significantly more likely to be killed than white". https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/topic-pages/tables/table-21 https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-... So despite being 13% population, in 2016 blacks committed 53% of murders, 54% robberies, 43% weapons offences, 38% of all violent crimes. Should the demographic committing 53% of murders not get expected to get shot? Should cops simply not shoot and get shot instead when the other person is armed or attacks them? Should Jacob Blake or Ricardo Munoz have not been shot when both were about to attack the cops with a knife? This isn't even about racism/bias in the data as shown here that whites are arrested 71.0% for "Drug abuse violations" vs 26.7% for blacks, whites commit more rapes at 67.6% vs 29.1% for blacks: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/topic-pages/tables/table-21 https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-... If this was about numbers lying because of some bias, why won't they also lie about whites commiting significantly more rapes and drugs? Obviously murder is a much worse crime than rape or drug and therefore more shootings for that demographic. Also if we look at a diverse city like Philadelphia - residents are 44.1 percent black, 35.8 percent white, 13.6 percent Latino and 7.2 percent Asian. Hispanics and then black officers are more likely to shoot an unarmed black suspect as compared to a white officer. Stats for unarmed blacks shot by cops: https://www.phillypolice.com/assets/directives/cops-w0753-pub.pdf https://www.phillypolice.com/assets/directives/cops-w0753-pu... Page 32 Definition of OIS (Officer involved shooting) is on page 17 Definition of TPFs (threat perception failures) is on page 30 TPF of white officer against black suspect is 6.8 TPF of black officer against black suspect is 11.4 TPF of hispanic officer against black suspect is 16.7 Aka Hispanics and then black officers are more likely to shoot an unarmed black suspect. The claim that white officers are more likely to kill black suspects because of racism is complete nonsense. White cops are the least likely to kill unarmed blacks. (Stats for asian cops isn't available as it's negligible.) As I have stated before, this is not about race - I am simply stating them because that's usually what talking points care about. We can complain about police brutality all we want but until we fix the root cause of the problem, nothing will change. Blacks realize this and that's why eighty-one percent (81%) of black Americans and eight-three percent (83%) of Hispanic Americans want either the police presence to remain the same (a majority) or to be increased (opposite of what their often white "liberal saviors" want): https://news.gallup.com/poll/316571/black-americans-police-retain-local-presence.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/316571/black-americans-police-r... One more thing - to get rid of bad cops - we should be doing exact opposite of what current policies encourage. Aka we should maybe look at removing police unions which are the reason bad cops stay protected. Same with teachers unions which let bad teachers stay around.