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It absolutely does.

by djbebs 5y ago

It absolutely does.

formerly_proven 5y ago
It's not that long and written in pretty simple language, can you please point out where it bans certain kinds of political views?
- DisplayedPublic 5y ago
  Artikel 18 > Wer die Freiheit der Meinungsäußerung, insbesondere die Pressefreiheit (Artikel 5 Abs. 1), die Lehrfreiheit (Artikel 5 Abs. 3), die Versammlungsfreiheit (Artikel 8), die Vereinigungsfreiheit (Artikel 9), das Brief-, Post- und Fernmeldegeheimnis (Artikel 10), das Eigentum (Artikel 14) oder das Asylrecht (Artikel 16a) zum Kampfe gegen die freiheitliche demokratische Grundordnung mißbraucht, verwirkt diese Grundrechte. Die Verwirkung und ihr Ausmaß werden durch das Bundesverfassungsgericht ausgesprochen. Try to use your rights to abolish the democratic order and you lose them. That's indeed pretty simple language.
  - adwn 5y ago
    > zum Kampfe gegen die freiheitliche demokratische Grundordnung That doesn't really fall under "certain kinds of political views", rather under "I'm going to stage a coup and turn Germany into a dictatorship". "Certain kinds of political views" is typically understood to mean opinions like "we need higher/lower taxes for the rich" or "men and women should/shouldn't have equal rights". That's not forbidden by the Grundgesetz, at least not for individuals.
    - FeepingCreature 5y ago
      Yeah this is "central example" vs "technical outlier example." Advocating or planning a coup is technically a political view that is being censored, but obviously it's not relevant to almost any political process in the country.
    - realityking 5y ago
      Germany has prohibited and dissolved two political parties, the SRP (a successor to the NSDAP) and the KPD (communist part of Germany). They've also declared a 3rd one, the NPD, as unconstitutional but so inefficient that it doesn't need to be dissolved. They no longer receive government funding for elections. None of these parties were trying to stage a coup, they stood for elections like any other party. What they intended to do once they gained power is incompatible with "freiheitliche demokratische Grundordnung".

It absolutely does.

by djbebs 5y ago

It absolutely does.

It's not that long and written in pretty simple language, can you please point out where it bans certain kinds of political views?

DisplayedPublic 5y ago
Artikel 18 > Wer die Freiheit der Meinungsäußerung, insbesondere die Pressefreiheit (Artikel 5 Abs. 1), die Lehrfreiheit (Artikel 5 Abs. 3), die Versammlungsfreiheit (Artikel 8), die Vereinigungsfreiheit (Artikel 9), das Brief-, Post- und Fernmeldegeheimnis (Artikel 10), das Eigentum (Artikel 14) oder das Asylrecht (Artikel 16a) zum Kampfe gegen die freiheitliche demokratische Grundordnung mißbraucht, verwirkt diese Grundrechte. Die Verwirkung und ihr Ausmaß werden durch das Bundesverfassungsgericht ausgesprochen. Try to use your rights to abolish the democratic order and you lose them. That's indeed pretty simple language.
- adwn 5y ago
  > zum Kampfe gegen die freiheitliche demokratische Grundordnung That doesn't really fall under "certain kinds of political views", rather under "I'm going to stage a coup and turn Germany into a dictatorship". "Certain kinds of political views" is typically understood to mean opinions like "we need higher/lower taxes for the rich" or "men and women should/shouldn't have equal rights". That's not forbidden by the Grundgesetz, at least not for individuals.
  - FeepingCreature 5y ago
    Yeah this is "central example" vs "technical outlier example." Advocating or planning a coup is technically a political view that is being censored, but obviously it's not relevant to almost any political process in the country.
  - realityking 5y ago
    Germany has prohibited and dissolved two political parties, the SRP (a successor to the NSDAP) and the KPD (communist part of Germany). They've also declared a 3rd one, the NPD, as unconstitutional but so inefficient that it doesn't need to be dissolved. They no longer receive government funding for elections. None of these parties were trying to stage a coup, they stood for elections like any other party. What they intended to do once they gained power is incompatible with "freiheitliche demokratische Grundordnung".