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I'm confused, so you admitted that a wasp enters but there's still no biomass? Does the wasp just go out again?

spoonjim 5y ago
The wasp is completely digested. Does my car’s gas tank contain dinosaur biomass? Not really, it’s been chemically transformed.
- agucova 5y ago
  To be fair, "dinosaur biomass" would be innacurate, but "biomass-derived fuel" is a perfectly fine description that you'll find in a lot of places.
  - micheljansen 5y ago
    By that logic what would you call manure? Vegans are going to have a very hard time this way!
    - dTal 5y ago
      A) manure is plant biomass, not animal B) anyway, you don't eat manure C) anyway, vegans are fine with figs so the whole thing is a strawman
      - atombender 5y ago
        Nitpick: Most manure used in agriculture is primarily composed of animal feces, which isn't strictly made of just plant matter.
      - bagacrap 5y ago
        Vegans avoid any animal products, not just the animal's flesh. They don't want any animals held captive. Manure is definitely an animal by-product and it's collected from domesticated animals, so manure is not vegan in the same way a facial cream derived from milk would not be vegan. I don't really know to what extent manure is used to fertilize these days though.
planetis 5y ago
Wasp or no wasp (...but there is really none, nada, zilch it's impossible to trace kapish?), lot's of flowers pollinate with the help of insects. I don't feel like it's coincidental these "there is wasp in your figs" articles appear, right before harvest season. Those who can't match the quality of your product, well they try with dirty ways to smear it.
- sunshineforever 5y ago
  Its definitely possible, however I think also that journalists (and people in general) lately have become more aware of the seasonality of everything. Seasonal articles will also get a slight boost during their time so people are encouraged to write them.
  - planetis 5y ago
    Makes sense, thanks for your insight!
pvaldes 5y ago
Ok, I will explain it. All figs are 100% omnivorous food and -- Some -- figs are 100% vegan food. (Lets pretend that all this birds entangled and shoot never existed). And I'm saying some, but not all. The varieties of Ficus carica can be classified in four groups if I remember correctly. Figs in the so called 'common' group don't need to be pollinated. Can be cultivated in areas too cold in winter for the wasp to survive (like Germany, UK or even Sweden) so is a popular one and often seen in markets. This could be tagged as genuinely "100% vegan". You can do a thousand studies on then and "prove" that figs never, ever, have insects inside, but you would be just lying to yourself and your customers. Because the real hot stuff in figs are the 'Smyrna group', that always involve the death of several animals (that are stolen to nature by people and put there deliberately to die. Definitely not vegan friendly kind of stuff). Figs in the groups 'Smyrna', 'San Pedro' or 'San Antonio' will hold the remains of a few of those animals. Period. But those figs are also much better in complexity of flavor, crunchy texture, and better nutritionally also so the sacrifice was not in vain. Those are the famous figs breed in warm places like Greece or Turkey.

The wasp is completely digested. Does my car’s gas tank contain dinosaur biomass? Not really, it’s been chemically transformed.

agucova 5y ago
To be fair, "dinosaur biomass" would be innacurate, but "biomass-derived fuel" is a perfectly fine description that you'll find in a lot of places.
- micheljansen 5y ago
  By that logic what would you call manure? Vegans are going to have a very hard time this way!
  - dTal 5y ago
    A) manure is plant biomass, not animal B) anyway, you don't eat manure C) anyway, vegans are fine with figs so the whole thing is a strawman
    - atombender 5y ago
      Nitpick: Most manure used in agriculture is primarily composed of animal feces, which isn't strictly made of just plant matter.
    - bagacrap 5y ago
      Vegans avoid any animal products, not just the animal's flesh. They don't want any animals held captive. Manure is definitely an animal by-product and it's collected from domesticated animals, so manure is not vegan in the same way a facial cream derived from milk would not be vegan. I don't really know to what extent manure is used to fertilize these days though.

planetis 5y ago

Wasp or no wasp (...but there is really none, nada, zilch it's impossible to trace kapish?), lot's of flowers pollinate with the help of insects. I don't feel like it's coincidental these "there is wasp in your figs" articles appear, right before harvest season. Those who can't match the quality of your product, well they try with dirty ways to smear it.

sunshineforever 5y ago
Its definitely possible, however I think also that journalists (and people in general) lately have become more aware of the seasonality of everything. Seasonal articles will also get a slight boost during their time so people are encouraged to write them.
- planetis 5y ago
  Makes sense, thanks for your insight!

pvaldes 5y ago

Ok, I will explain it. All figs are 100% omnivorous food and -- Some -- figs are 100% vegan food. (Lets pretend that all this birds entangled and shoot never existed). And I'm saying some, but not all. The varieties of Ficus carica can be classified in four groups if I remember correctly. Figs in the so called 'common' group don't need to be pollinated. Can be cultivated in areas too cold in winter for the wasp to survive (like Germany, UK or even Sweden) so is a popular one and often seen in markets. This could be tagged as genuinely "100% vegan". You can do a thousand studies on then and "prove" that figs never, ever, have insects inside, but you would be just lying to yourself and your customers. Because the real hot stuff in figs are the 'Smyrna group', that always involve the death of several animals (that are stolen to nature by people and put there deliberately to die. Definitely not vegan friendly kind of stuff). Figs in the groups 'Smyrna', 'San Pedro' or 'San Antonio' will hold the remains of a few of those animals. Period. But those figs are also much better in complexity of flavor, crunchy texture, and better nutritionally also so the sacrifice was not in vain. Those are the famous figs breed in warm places like Greece or Turkey.