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Oh I don’t know, crushing depression, psychological atmosphere of fear, no biggy

arpa 5y ago
If you think masks are depressing and fearful, just wait for the climate wars...
_Microft 5y ago
I understand that it must be depressing for people who see masks only as infringing on their freedoms and nothing else, because they are currently at the mercy of society. If someone sees mask wearing instead as a joint effort to fight the pandemic, as means to get out of it earlier by limiting the spread of the disease or as a way that they can do something to protect themselves no matter what others might do, then it is absolutely not depressing. Self-efficacy influences mood positively a lot.
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trainsplanes 5y ago
Wild how westerners make these dystopian associations, while in Asia it’s just part of basic hygiene, like expecting people to wipe their ass or wash their hands.
- rayiner 5y ago
  Where in Asia is everyone walking around masked unless they’re actively sick? In Tokyo you can always see a few masked people, but that’s totally different than everyone being masked.
  - trainsplanes 5y ago
    Everyone in Japan is currently walking around masked. People here also walk around with masks during allergy season, or doing flu season even when they’re not sick. In Taiwan and Vietnam I saw (and wore) masks on days when the air was particularly dirty.
    - dnzkw 5y ago
      Jesus what a way of moving the goalposts. First you say in Asia (billions of people!) everybody has always walked around masked. Now it's only Japan and only during the pandemic.
      - trainsplanes 5y ago
        I didn’t say always. The person specifically mentioned Tokyo and I stated the reality of how it is in Japan. The situation is the same in China. I also specifically said people wear them outside of the pandemic. I think you’re very confused because you’re angry. Calm down. :)
    - rayiner 5y ago
      We’re talking about everyone wearing masks indefinitely going forward. Japan was definitely not like that pre-pandemic.
fsloth 5y ago
These emotions are due to pandemic, yes? The mask is just an apparel - something that is now worn - but hardly the cause these negative emotions? I like the extra privacy a mask gives (introvert!) - but I do understand why some feel them uncomfortable.
BoxOfRain 5y ago
The desire to get rid of masks is mostly iconoclastic in my opinion. People come up with all sorts of hand-wringing explanations for the anti-mask phenomenon but it's actually pretty simple in my opinion, people want rid of their masks for the same reason English people burn effigies of Guy Fawkes on the 5th of November. It's not the masks themselves that make people dislike them, it's what they represent. To some they're primarily a symbol of caring about your neighbours, to others they're primarily a symbol of government authoritarianism. It's this subjective, symbolic association that I think informs most people's opinions of masks. I suspect the Venn diagram of people who don't like masks and people who don't like coercively collectivist politics is basically a circle. It certainly is here in the UK, most opposition to masks in Parliament came from the Tory backbenchers which I guess is why their mandatory use was dropped this month; the 1922 Committee (a formal group of Tory backbenchers) can force a vote of no confidence in the Tory leader if 15% of them call for such a vote. Tory backbenchers tend to be more small-c conservative than the Tory frontbench, they're not necessarily anti-authoritarian but they're often anti-collectivist.
- packetlost 5y ago
  I, for one, hate wearing masks. I do it if I'm required or am sick and not otherwise. In the winter glasses + hat + longer hair make it really difficult to get a mask on-off (not to mention extra fogging up glasses, which can be dangerous in some situations) and in the hot summers it quickly can cause overheating. It's also so depressing to not see people's faces outside of a small familial or maybe social bubble. Not everything is politically motivated.

arpa 5y ago

If you think masks are depressing and fearful, just wait for the climate wars...

I understand that it must be depressing for people who see masks only as infringing on their freedoms and nothing else, because they are currently at the mercy of society. If someone sees mask wearing instead as a joint effort to fight the pandemic, as means to get out of it earlier by limiting the spread of the disease or as a way that they can do something to protect themselves no matter what others might do, then it is absolutely not depressing. Self-efficacy influences mood positively a lot.

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trainsplanes 5y ago

Wild how westerners make these dystopian associations, while in Asia it’s just part of basic hygiene, like expecting people to wipe their ass or wash their hands.

rayiner 5y ago
Where in Asia is everyone walking around masked unless they’re actively sick? In Tokyo you can always see a few masked people, but that’s totally different than everyone being masked.
- trainsplanes 5y ago
  Everyone in Japan is currently walking around masked. People here also walk around with masks during allergy season, or doing flu season even when they’re not sick. In Taiwan and Vietnam I saw (and wore) masks on days when the air was particularly dirty.
  - dnzkw 5y ago
    Jesus what a way of moving the goalposts. First you say in Asia (billions of people!) everybody has always walked around masked. Now it's only Japan and only during the pandemic.
    - trainsplanes 5y ago
      I didn’t say always. The person specifically mentioned Tokyo and I stated the reality of how it is in Japan. The situation is the same in China. I also specifically said people wear them outside of the pandemic. I think you’re very confused because you’re angry. Calm down. :)
  - rayiner 5y ago
    We’re talking about everyone wearing masks indefinitely going forward. Japan was definitely not like that pre-pandemic.

fsloth 5y ago

These emotions are due to pandemic, yes? The mask is just an apparel - something that is now worn - but hardly the cause these negative emotions? I like the extra privacy a mask gives (introvert!) - but I do understand why some feel them uncomfortable.

BoxOfRain 5y ago

The desire to get rid of masks is mostly iconoclastic in my opinion. People come up with all sorts of hand-wringing explanations for the anti-mask phenomenon but it's actually pretty simple in my opinion, people want rid of their masks for the same reason English people burn effigies of Guy Fawkes on the 5th of November. It's not the masks themselves that make people dislike them, it's what they represent. To some they're primarily a symbol of caring about your neighbours, to others they're primarily a symbol of government authoritarianism. It's this subjective, symbolic association that I think informs most people's opinions of masks. I suspect the Venn diagram of people who don't like masks and people who don't like coercively collectivist politics is basically a circle. It certainly is here in the UK, most opposition to masks in Parliament came from the Tory backbenchers which I guess is why their mandatory use was dropped this month; the 1922 Committee (a formal group of Tory backbenchers) can force a vote of no confidence in the Tory leader if 15% of them call for such a vote. Tory backbenchers tend to be more small-c conservative than the Tory frontbench, they're not necessarily anti-authoritarian but they're often anti-collectivist.

packetlost 5y ago
I, for one, hate wearing masks. I do it if I'm required or am sick and not otherwise. In the winter glasses + hat + longer hair make it really difficult to get a mask on-off (not to mention extra fogging up glasses, which can be dangerous in some situations) and in the hot summers it quickly can cause overheating. It's also so depressing to not see people's faces outside of a small familial or maybe social bubble. Not everything is politically motivated.