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> We're discussing a policy in which all Google employees who come into the office are being forced to vaccinate on the grounds that if any do not, it might be

> We're discussing a policy in which all Google employees who come into the office are being forced to vaccinate on the grounds that if any do not, it might be dangerous. No one made that argument. Even implicitly. Google wouldn't have an exception process if they thought even 1 person unvaccinated is dangerous. And basically it's the same policy many schools have for other vaccinations. > Your herd immunity numbers are just made up. I saw many estimates last year and none were even close to 90%. Last July the US GAO said 70 to 90% for most viruses. Their chart implied up to about 86% for COVID-19.[1] Fauci in December: "We really don’t know what the real number is. I think the real range is somewhere between 70 to 90 percent."[2] WHO in December: "The proportion of the population that must be vaccinated against COVID-19 to begin inducing herd immunity is not known." But about 95% and 80% for 2 other viruses.[3] [1] https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-20-646sp https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-20-646sp [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/24/health/herd-immunity-covid-coronavirus.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/24/health/herd-immunity-covi... [3] https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/herd-immunity-lockdowns-and-covid-19 https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/herd-immunity-lockd...

native_samples 5y ago
No one made that argument. Even implicitly. Google wouldn't have an exception process Oh come on. They're saying you aren't allowed to come into the office if you're unvaccinated, unless you literally cannot take it. They aren't saying "we must reach at least X% where X is a herd immunity threshold" and it wouldn't make sense if they were because herd immunity isn't a building-level concept. Fauci in December: "We really don’t know what the real number is. I think the real range is somewhere between 70 to 90 percent."[2] The man who literally admitted to the NYT that he made up herd immunity numbers based on opinion polls? Who even in this quote says he doesn't know and then makes up another figure anyway? Why are you citing these numbers? They are saying clearly that the whole concept is a fictional one to begin with (meaning: there is no justification for mandating anything at all).

native_samples 5y ago

No one made that argument. Even implicitly. Google wouldn't have an exception process Oh come on. They're saying you aren't allowed to come into the office if you're unvaccinated, unless you literally cannot take it. They aren't saying "we must reach at least X% where X is a herd immunity threshold" and it wouldn't make sense if they were because herd immunity isn't a building-level concept. Fauci in December: "We really don’t know what the real number is. I think the real range is somewhere between 70 to 90 percent."[2] The man who literally admitted to the NYT that he made up herd immunity numbers based on opinion polls? Who even in this quote says he doesn't know and then makes up another figure anyway? Why are you citing these numbers? They are saying clearly that the whole concept is a fictional one to begin with (meaning: there is no justification for mandating anything at all).