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This seems 100% reasonable to me. If somebody tags me I want to see that photo - and the entire album (since context is also important). I don't want that someb

by sdizdar 15y ago

This seems 100% reasonable to me. If somebody tags me I want to see that photo - and the entire album (since context is also important). I don't want that somebody starts taging me on some photos and then sharing these photos with others without me having chance to untag myself.

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rflrob 15y ago
I think I would only care if they tag me AND share the photos with others. If they intended not to share it with anybody, then I don't care whether they think I'm in the photo or not. A more reasonable approach would be something like "if a photo is shared, it must be shared with the people tagged in the photo". As far as getting access to the entire album, not everyone uses albums for the same reason. I can't, offhand, think of a situation where the rest of the album would make a difference, but it's not unreasonable to expect that one might want to share only parts of an album with some people.
- jasonkostempski 15y ago
  This. Private tagging and public tagging should be separate. I'd love to be able to tag the pictures with my kid in it, who is 2 and has no email address or, of course, Google+ account, and a few other people/animals who also don't have these things either because they don't care to or because they're animals, because I want to orginize them. I can do this on my local computer with desktop Picasa but then I have to start worrying about loosing my local data again, the whole reason I paid for the extra storage on Picasa in the damn first place.
- ktsmith 15y ago
  I store most of my albums by date and not necessarily by context. So if you were to go through an album I would have to explain the context of each three or four pictures. I'm very particular about whom I share photos with so having a conference photo tagged and shared doesn't bother me. Having a family photo shared because I tagged the conference photo and they were in the same date based album is a deal breaker.
jurjenh 15y ago
Before people start forgetting real-world context here: In the physical world, people can and do take photos with you in it. They then get these developed, and may put them in an album with the people identified. You would have absolutely no access to this photo unless they choose to share this with you, however that may be. They can also choose to share it with their friends, possibly even form a presentation with it to a certain slice of the public, and you still have no control over this, or even access to it. This automatic re-sharing is quite the opposite, and I suspect Google did not fully follow the logical consequences through, or purposely chose to subvert the current physical-world situation. I don't like it, I'd rather have new-to-digital features following known physical traditions until there is ample evidence that it may be a good thing to change it.
- dpcan 15y ago
  The equivalent to your analogy is the "My Pictures" folder we all have on our private computers. Google is not this. They are a giant corporation letting you store your photos with them for free and they have documented that tagging is sharing.
  - kyro 15y ago
    Google's whole goal for G+ is that it's supposed to be modeled after how life really works – circles, hangouts, etc. The picture sharing is not how things go down in the real world. When your aunt has goofy pictures of you at family gatherings, chances are she's showed them to a handful of other individuals without your consent. The pictures are hers and she shares them with her circles, regardless of who's present in those photos. The way Google is handling this seems to go against the ethos of G+.
    - chrischen 15y ago
      That just seems like a disadvantage of real life that Google+ can improve upon!
  - ktsmith 15y ago
    Actually, before Google+ existed Picasa supported the ability to tag people in photos, and manage albums with limited/restricted sharing. So this is a fundamental change to functionality.
kyro 15y ago
Then I suggest you become a recluse because what you want just does not happen in the real world.
mike-cardwell 15y ago
FWIW, in the privacy settings of Google+ you can configure it so that people simply can't tag you without your permission.
socksy 15y ago
That sounds fine, and what I would expect too. However, being tagged in one photo in an album shouldn't be enough to be suddenly allowed access to view every photo in the album regardless of privacy settings on that album. Disclaimer: I have not tested whether or not this actually happens, so I'm taking the original article (and its comments) by their word. I do find it irritating though that anyone can apparently see the action of me tagging myself in a photo in my stream, regardless of the privacy settings of that photo.
davros 15y ago
I don't want that somebody starts taging me on some photos and then sharing these photos with others without me having chance to untag myself. If someone has photos of you and emails them to their friends you have no right nor expectation of notification. Maybe they might make rude comments behind your back. Not nice, but its a private conversation and they should be allowed to be rude in private. On the other hand, if Google suddenly and unexpectedly makes my private photo album public just because I tag some people, that makes their service useless for non-public sharing of photos. I will therefore not use it and go back to sharing the photos by some other service. The whole point of Google+ is that I can keep interaction with different circles separate. Unlike facebook I (thought I could) load photos that my friends would see but not my work colleagues. This sharing from tagging breaks that. We are not talking about public albums. If you tag someone in a public album, then its fine to notify them. But for a private album making is effectively entirely public just because I tag one person is completely unacceptable. I have uploaded those photos with a reasonable expectation that they not be made public nor shared beyond the friends I want to share them with. If G+

by sdizdar 15y ago

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rflrob 15y ago

I think I would only care if they tag me AND share the photos with others. If they intended not to share it with anybody, then I don't care whether they think I'm in the photo or not. A more reasonable approach would be something like "if a photo is shared, it must be shared with the people tagged in the photo". As far as getting access to the entire album, not everyone uses albums for the same reason. I can't, offhand, think of a situation where the rest of the album would make a difference, but it's not unreasonable to expect that one might want to share only parts of an album with some people.

jasonkostempski 15y ago
This. Private tagging and public tagging should be separate. I'd love to be able to tag the pictures with my kid in it, who is 2 and has no email address or, of course, Google+ account, and a few other people/animals who also don't have these things either because they don't care to or because they're animals, because I want to orginize them. I can do this on my local computer with desktop Picasa but then I have to start worrying about loosing my local data again, the whole reason I paid for the extra storage on Picasa in the damn first place.
ktsmith 15y ago
I store most of my albums by date and not necessarily by context. So if you were to go through an album I would have to explain the context of each three or four pictures. I'm very particular about whom I share photos with so having a conference photo tagged and shared doesn't bother me. Having a family photo shared because I tagged the conference photo and they were in the same date based album is a deal breaker.

jurjenh 15y ago

Before people start forgetting real-world context here: In the physical world, people can and do take photos with you in it. They then get these developed, and may put them in an album with the people identified. You would have absolutely no access to this photo unless they choose to share this with you, however that may be. They can also choose to share it with their friends, possibly even form a presentation with it to a certain slice of the public, and you still have no control over this, or even access to it. This automatic re-sharing is quite the opposite, and I suspect Google did not fully follow the logical consequences through, or purposely chose to subvert the current physical-world situation. I don't like it, I'd rather have new-to-digital features following known physical traditions until there is ample evidence that it may be a good thing to change it.

dpcan 15y ago
The equivalent to your analogy is the "My Pictures" folder we all have on our private computers. Google is not this. They are a giant corporation letting you store your photos with them for free and they have documented that tagging is sharing.
- kyro 15y ago
  Google's whole goal for G+ is that it's supposed to be modeled after how life really works – circles, hangouts, etc. The picture sharing is not how things go down in the real world. When your aunt has goofy pictures of you at family gatherings, chances are she's showed them to a handful of other individuals without your consent. The pictures are hers and she shares them with her circles, regardless of who's present in those photos. The way Google is handling this seems to go against the ethos of G+.
  - chrischen 15y ago
    That just seems like a disadvantage of real life that Google+ can improve upon!
- ktsmith 15y ago
  Actually, before Google+ existed Picasa supported the ability to tag people in photos, and manage albums with limited/restricted sharing. So this is a fundamental change to functionality.

kyro 15y ago

Then I suggest you become a recluse because what you want just does not happen in the real world.

mike-cardwell 15y ago

FWIW, in the privacy settings of Google+ you can configure it so that people simply can't tag you without your permission.

socksy 15y ago

That sounds fine, and what I would expect too. However, being tagged in one photo in an album shouldn't be enough to be suddenly allowed access to view every photo in the album regardless of privacy settings on that album. Disclaimer: I have not tested whether or not this actually happens, so I'm taking the original article (and its comments) by their word. I do find it irritating though that anyone can apparently see the action of me tagging myself in a photo in my stream, regardless of the privacy settings of that photo.

davros 15y ago

I don't want that somebody starts taging me on some photos and then sharing these photos with others without me having chance to untag myself. If someone has photos of you and emails them to their friends you have no right nor expectation of notification. Maybe they might make rude comments behind your back. Not nice, but its a private conversation and they should be allowed to be rude in private. On the other hand, if Google suddenly and unexpectedly makes my private photo album public just because I tag some people, that makes their service useless for non-public sharing of photos. I will therefore not use it and go back to sharing the photos by some other service. The whole point of Google+ is that I can keep interaction with different circles separate. Unlike facebook I (thought I could) load photos that my friends would see but not my work colleagues. This sharing from tagging breaks that. We are not talking about public albums. If you tag someone in a public album, then its fine to notify them. But for a private album making is effectively entirely public just because I tag one person is completely unacceptable. I have uploaded those photos with a reasonable expectation that they not be made public nor shared beyond the friends I want to share them with. If G+