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Iirc, he was asking a CDC official whether the application of a disinfectant to infected lungs had been investigated. A stupid idea on its face, but at no point

Iirc, he was asking a CDC official whether the application of a disinfectant to infected lungs had been investigated. A stupid idea on its face, but at no point did he recommend the consumption of bleach as a cure or a treatment for covid.

jussij 5y ago
While he did recommend taking hydroxychloroquine as a cure, recommended the end of lock downs and actively rejected the use of masks.
- l-_l-_l-_lo_ol 5y ago
  He didn't recommend hydroxy as a cure. He was advocating studies at the time that were supportive of its preventative effectiveness. As those weren't enough to justify using it the left media jumped on it with extreme hyberbole and you bought it with your lack of skepticism I assume. States that have ended lockdowns early, like Florida, haven't done any worse than locked states and saved their economies. Lockdowns are unproven as effective. Trump did not "actively" reject use of masks; he simply didn't fervently promote them as the left wished. And for that matter, Texas ended masks very early to the seething disdain of the left and then nothing happened. So...
  - asdfaoeu 5y ago
    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/18/trump-says-he-takes-hydroxychloroquine-to-prevent-coronavirus-infection.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/18/trump-says-he-takes-hydroxyc...
    - MeinBlutIstBlau 5y ago
      I'm not the same person you were talking to but no where does it say he recommends others take it. He is just saying he takes it. You're completely changing his words to suit your narrative that he said something when he never did. This is exactly why people are up in arms over Facebooks censorship. They let people skew other peoples words and present them as fact when they are libel at best.
      - l-_l-_l-_lo_ol 5y ago
        Yes. Perhaps he shouldn't have been taking it. But he certainly didn't say, as the person I was responding to clearly asserted, that it is a cure for Corona. And here we are, you and I, getting 0'd out by people who apparently can't read. And people apparently who go along with whatever is printed in left-wing media without fact checking.
        readflaggedcomm 5y ago
        He probably should. Studies show protease inhibitors are effective treatment: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jcpt.13356 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jcpt.13356 But don't say this here, because HN downvotes science. Their religion is against it.
        MeinBlutIstBlau 5y ago
        Yeah HN is a slightly smarter version of Reddit imo. But I've found you can't say anything along the same vein that you can't on Reddit as well.
  - jussij 5y ago
    You make it sounds like the mask wearing was some sort of left leaning fetish, when in fact it was nothing more than the best possible health advice.
    - jimmydorry 5y ago
      Best possible health advice... except when it wasn't initially [1] (allegedly to save stock for frontline workers), then it was, then it wasn't [2] (vaccinated no longer need them), and now it is again. I agree that the use of face masks is commonsense and should become a part of life, like it has been in asian countries since at least SARS. But to imply that the directives from health officials has remained the same is either ignorant or deceitful. [1] https://www.businessinsider.com.au/fauci-doesnt-regret-advising-against-masks-early-in-pandemic-2020-7?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com.au/fauci-doesnt-regret-advis... [2] https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cdc-guideline-mask-vaccinated-covid-19-indoor/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cdc-guideline-mask-vaccinated-c...
  - gcanyon 5y ago
    Trump said he was taking it. That’s not recommending studies. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-taking-hydroxychloroquine-unproven-drug-touted-covid-19/story?id=70751728 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-taking-hydroxychloroqu...
    - l-_l-_l-_lo_ol 5y ago
      The original assertion I was responding to was that he was touting it as a cure.
- readflaggedcomm 5y ago
  Sounds like science. To wit, protease inhibitors: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jcpt.13356 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jcpt.13356
raisedbyninjas 5y ago
Rather than trying to tease out the explicit meaning or jokes or subtext, we could just consider the rise of bleach ingestion at the time. Responsible people with a platform speak responsibly.
- crocodiletears 5y ago
  Given he never mentions bleach, or even suggested disinfectant as anything other than a quizzical aside to an aide - if the rise in bleach poisonings were to be attributed to anyone, it would be media outlets propagating the claim that he wanted people to drink bleach. However, the rise in bleach poisonings seems to have predated his statement, and pundit's subsequent interpretation https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/05/38-rise-in-bleach-poisoning-predates-trumps-suggestion-data-show/ https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/05/38-rise-in-bleach-po... There are plenty of exceptional reasons to have a low opinion of the man, and call him irresponsible with the platform he had. No reason to make up more.
- busymom0 5y ago
  He literally never talked about injecting bleach. Please stop spreading misinformation. Instead of criticizing him on important issues like not pardoning Assange/Snowden, ideologues keep making stuff up and destroying their own credibility. I provided my sources in this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28004191 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28004191 As for the rise of bleach ingestion, that was happening prior to this out of context news even admitted by left leaning sources.
  - stonogo 5y ago
    Maybe you should have been at the press conference to explain his remarks, because it seems a lot of people didn't interpret things correctly: https://time.com/5835244/accidental-poisonings-trump/ https://time.com/5835244/accidental-poisonings-trump/
    - busymom0 5y ago
      Your statement is very similar to saying "maybe she shouldn't have worn a short skirt if she didn't want to get raped". Top health official is talking about UV light killing the virus, person replies asking questions about possibility of UV light used for disinfecting the lungs as the technology was patented that week, media turns this into "person tells people to inject bleach", ideologues believe whatever media sells them without any questioning, ideologues blame the person instead of media for spreading disinformation, ideologues censor the person. Partisan hackery isn't helping when the media is lying and ideologues choose to go along with it. Maybe it's time for ideologues to re-consider their own beliefs.
Natsu 5y ago
> Iirc, he was asking a CDC official whether the application of a disinfectant to infected lungs had been investigated. IIRC it sounded like some badly mangled reference to this, which itself is a pretty wild idea: https://aytubio.com/pipeline/healight-technology-platform/ https://aytubio.com/pipeline/healight-technology-platform/

jussij 5y ago

While he did recommend taking hydroxychloroquine as a cure, recommended the end of lock downs and actively rejected the use of masks.

l-_l-_l-_lo_ol 5y ago
He didn't recommend hydroxy as a cure. He was advocating studies at the time that were supportive of its preventative effectiveness. As those weren't enough to justify using it the left media jumped on it with extreme hyberbole and you bought it with your lack of skepticism I assume. States that have ended lockdowns early, like Florida, haven't done any worse than locked states and saved their economies. Lockdowns are unproven as effective. Trump did not "actively" reject use of masks; he simply didn't fervently promote them as the left wished. And for that matter, Texas ended masks very early to the seething disdain of the left and then nothing happened. So...
- asdfaoeu 5y ago
  https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/18/trump-says-he-takes-hydroxychloroquine-to-prevent-coronavirus-infection.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/18/trump-says-he-takes-hydroxyc...
  - MeinBlutIstBlau 5y ago
    I'm not the same person you were talking to but no where does it say he recommends others take it. He is just saying he takes it. You're completely changing his words to suit your narrative that he said something when he never did. This is exactly why people are up in arms over Facebooks censorship. They let people skew other peoples words and present them as fact when they are libel at best.
    - l-_l-_l-_lo_ol 5y ago
      Yes. Perhaps he shouldn't have been taking it. But he certainly didn't say, as the person I was responding to clearly asserted, that it is a cure for Corona. And here we are, you and I, getting 0'd out by people who apparently can't read. And people apparently who go along with whatever is printed in left-wing media without fact checking.
      - readflaggedcomm 5y ago
        He probably should. Studies show protease inhibitors are effective treatment: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jcpt.13356 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jcpt.13356 But don't say this here, because HN downvotes science. Their religion is against it.
        MeinBlutIstBlau 5y ago
        Yeah HN is a slightly smarter version of Reddit imo. But I've found you can't say anything along the same vein that you can't on Reddit as well.
- jussij 5y ago
  You make it sounds like the mask wearing was some sort of left leaning fetish, when in fact it was nothing more than the best possible health advice.
  - jimmydorry 5y ago
    Best possible health advice... except when it wasn't initially [1] (allegedly to save stock for frontline workers), then it was, then it wasn't [2] (vaccinated no longer need them), and now it is again. I agree that the use of face masks is commonsense and should become a part of life, like it has been in asian countries since at least SARS. But to imply that the directives from health officials has remained the same is either ignorant or deceitful. [1] https://www.businessinsider.com.au/fauci-doesnt-regret-advising-against-masks-early-in-pandemic-2020-7?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com.au/fauci-doesnt-regret-advis... [2] https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cdc-guideline-mask-vaccinated-covid-19-indoor/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cdc-guideline-mask-vaccinated-c...
- gcanyon 5y ago
  Trump said he was taking it. That’s not recommending studies. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-taking-hydroxychloroquine-unproven-drug-touted-covid-19/story?id=70751728 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-taking-hydroxychloroqu...
  - l-_l-_l-_lo_ol 5y ago
    The original assertion I was responding to was that he was touting it as a cure.
readflaggedcomm 5y ago
Sounds like science. To wit, protease inhibitors: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jcpt.13356 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jcpt.13356

raisedbyninjas 5y ago

Rather than trying to tease out the explicit meaning or jokes or subtext, we could just consider the rise of bleach ingestion at the time. Responsible people with a platform speak responsibly.

crocodiletears 5y ago
Given he never mentions bleach, or even suggested disinfectant as anything other than a quizzical aside to an aide - if the rise in bleach poisonings were to be attributed to anyone, it would be media outlets propagating the claim that he wanted people to drink bleach. However, the rise in bleach poisonings seems to have predated his statement, and pundit's subsequent interpretation https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/05/38-rise-in-bleach-poisoning-predates-trumps-suggestion-data-show/ https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/05/38-rise-in-bleach-po... There are plenty of exceptional reasons to have a low opinion of the man, and call him irresponsible with the platform he had. No reason to make up more.
busymom0 5y ago
He literally never talked about injecting bleach. Please stop spreading misinformation. Instead of criticizing him on important issues like not pardoning Assange/Snowden, ideologues keep making stuff up and destroying their own credibility. I provided my sources in this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28004191 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28004191 As for the rise of bleach ingestion, that was happening prior to this out of context news even admitted by left leaning sources.
- stonogo 5y ago
  Maybe you should have been at the press conference to explain his remarks, because it seems a lot of people didn't interpret things correctly: https://time.com/5835244/accidental-poisonings-trump/ https://time.com/5835244/accidental-poisonings-trump/
  - busymom0 5y ago
    Your statement is very similar to saying "maybe she shouldn't have worn a short skirt if she didn't want to get raped". Top health official is talking about UV light killing the virus, person replies asking questions about possibility of UV light used for disinfecting the lungs as the technology was patented that week, media turns this into "person tells people to inject bleach", ideologues believe whatever media sells them without any questioning, ideologues blame the person instead of media for spreading disinformation, ideologues censor the person. Partisan hackery isn't helping when the media is lying and ideologues choose to go along with it. Maybe it's time for ideologues to re-consider their own beliefs.

Natsu 5y ago

> Iirc, he was asking a CDC official whether the application of a disinfectant to infected lungs had been investigated. IIRC it sounded like some badly mangled reference to this, which itself is a pretty wild idea: https://aytubio.com/pipeline/healight-technology-platform/ https://aytubio.com/pipeline/healight-technology-platform/