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Most of European Coastal Mediterranean, (Spain, Italy, France, Greece, Albania, southern part of Croatia), including Portugal, San Diego, and anything close to

Most of European Coastal Mediterranean, (Spain, Italy, France, Greece, Albania, southern part of Croatia), including Portugal, San Diego, and anything close to the ocean in California (as long as it is not in the fog belt like San Francisco), South Africa, and perhaps some parts of Australia and Latin America. Basically, anywhere where it is sunny 'Mild Mediterranean' weather, that it is not too hot (North Africa is too hot for my taste). Top Cities in Europe: Barcelona, Valencia, in Spain, Livornia, Rimini, Pisa, in Italy (Rome can get too hot), Marsseille, Nice in France, Durres, Vlora in Albania, (actually most of Albania has great weather), Dubrovnik in Croatia, Corfu, Patras, Selaniki in Greece), Lisbon and Porto in Portugal, etc... This is the sunshine map of Europe. Light Orange areas are probably the best areas weather wise. If it is the bright Orange, then Coastal areas are still great, but inland might get too hot. Eg. Madrid, and Rome get too hot in the summer, but cities like Barcelona, or Niece in France are more moderate as they are coastal: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/Europe_sunshine_hours_map.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/Europe_s...

andrepd 5y ago
+1 for that sweet Csa climate :)
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balfirevic 5y ago
> southern part of Croatia That's where I live. Summers get much too hot to be called mild, but it's the winters that are annoying as hell. Everyone pretends that the cold doesn't exist, so insulation is terrible and so is heating unless you want to pay through the nose for electricity every month. Seriously, winters were much better when I lived in the capital, which is continental and colder but has actual amenities to counter that. I did have an opportunity to spend a month in Los Angeles on two occasions (in winter and fall) and the weather was fantastic.
- FreshFries 5y ago
  Exactly this: if your house / environment is well adjusted to the circumstances it makes a much bigger impact on the overall experience then the average temperature. Switzerland as in my example, is about as close to perfect as I have experienced. Yes we get snow in the winter, yes it get hotish (up to 38C.) in the summer, but the houses and streets and road services are all well capable of handling these fluctuations. EDIT: "In Bern, the summers are comfortable and wet, the winters are very cold, and it is partly cloudy year round. Over the course of the year, the temperature typically varies from -4°C to 24°C (in freedoms: 26°F to 76°F) and is rarely below -10°C or above 30°C. (14°F or above 86°F)" From: https://weatherspark.com/y/56086/Average-Weather-in-Bern-Switzerland-Year-Round https://weatherspark.com/y/56086/Average-Weather-in-Bern-Swi...
AtomicOrbital 5y ago
Folks need to appreciate lush vibrant green vegetation where frequent rain is encouraged ... perhaps motivated by lifelong hiking every few days ... so for me Mediterranean climate is way too dry and barren
- PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
  Wallace Stegner: "Dutton describes a process of westernization of the perceptions that has had to happen before the West is beautiful to us. You have to get over the color green; you have to quit associating beauty with gardens and lawns; you have to get used to an inhuman scale; you have to understand geological time." Much longer and more explanatory quote here: https://bensonian.wordpress.com/2012/03/14/you-have-to-get-over-the-color-green-westernizing-the-perceptions/ https://bensonian.wordpress.com/2012/03/14/you-have-to-get-o...
  - throw0101a 5y ago
    I'm not against what he's saying, but green vegetation generally means a good source of water, which is handy to have: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_security https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_security
    - PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
      Indeed, but millions of humans have lived for millenia in places where grass does not grow easily. It's a different culture in so many important ways from the one found in areas with plentiful water, and has evolved over thousands of years to deal with "the world as it is".
      - throw0101a 5y ago
        > Indeed, but millions of humans have lived for millenia in places where grass does not grow easily. And what were the populations of those communities? Did they have hundreds of thousands, or even millions, of individuals draining natural resources? In recent times humans haven't really done as much accepting the "world as it is". We've tried to shoehorn ourselves into circumstances where we probably should not have. I am reminded of the episode of the cartoon King of the Hill where they visit Phoenix: * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PYt0SDnrBE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PYt0SDnrBE
throw0101a 5y ago
> Basically, anywhere where it is sunny 'Mild Mediterranean' weather, that it is not too hot (North Africa is too hot for my taste). I wouldn't object to living in that climate type (Csa, Csb), but I'd be worried about rainfall: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_climate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_climate Personally I'd lean more towards Oceanic: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oceanic_climate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oceanic_climate Still mild, with some seasonality. I do understand why some people wouldn't want all the cloudiness.

andrepd 5y ago

+1 for that sweet Csa climate :)

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balfirevic 5y ago

> southern part of Croatia That's where I live. Summers get much too hot to be called mild, but it's the winters that are annoying as hell. Everyone pretends that the cold doesn't exist, so insulation is terrible and so is heating unless you want to pay through the nose for electricity every month. Seriously, winters were much better when I lived in the capital, which is continental and colder but has actual amenities to counter that. I did have an opportunity to spend a month in Los Angeles on two occasions (in winter and fall) and the weather was fantastic.

FreshFries 5y ago
Exactly this: if your house / environment is well adjusted to the circumstances it makes a much bigger impact on the overall experience then the average temperature. Switzerland as in my example, is about as close to perfect as I have experienced. Yes we get snow in the winter, yes it get hotish (up to 38C.) in the summer, but the houses and streets and road services are all well capable of handling these fluctuations. EDIT: "In Bern, the summers are comfortable and wet, the winters are very cold, and it is partly cloudy year round. Over the course of the year, the temperature typically varies from -4°C to 24°C (in freedoms: 26°F to 76°F) and is rarely below -10°C or above 30°C. (14°F or above 86°F)" From: https://weatherspark.com/y/56086/Average-Weather-in-Bern-Switzerland-Year-Round https://weatherspark.com/y/56086/Average-Weather-in-Bern-Swi...

AtomicOrbital 5y ago

Folks need to appreciate lush vibrant green vegetation where frequent rain is encouraged ... perhaps motivated by lifelong hiking every few days ... so for me Mediterranean climate is way too dry and barren

PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
Wallace Stegner: "Dutton describes a process of westernization of the perceptions that has had to happen before the West is beautiful to us. You have to get over the color green; you have to quit associating beauty with gardens and lawns; you have to get used to an inhuman scale; you have to understand geological time." Much longer and more explanatory quote here: https://bensonian.wordpress.com/2012/03/14/you-have-to-get-over-the-color-green-westernizing-the-perceptions/ https://bensonian.wordpress.com/2012/03/14/you-have-to-get-o...
- throw0101a 5y ago
  I'm not against what he's saying, but green vegetation generally means a good source of water, which is handy to have: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_security https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_security
  - PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
    Indeed, but millions of humans have lived for millenia in places where grass does not grow easily. It's a different culture in so many important ways from the one found in areas with plentiful water, and has evolved over thousands of years to deal with "the world as it is".
    - throw0101a 5y ago
      > Indeed, but millions of humans have lived for millenia in places where grass does not grow easily. And what were the populations of those communities? Did they have hundreds of thousands, or even millions, of individuals draining natural resources? In recent times humans haven't really done as much accepting the "world as it is". We've tried to shoehorn ourselves into circumstances where we probably should not have. I am reminded of the episode of the cartoon King of the Hill where they visit Phoenix: * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PYt0SDnrBE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PYt0SDnrBE

throw0101a 5y ago

> Basically, anywhere where it is sunny 'Mild Mediterranean' weather, that it is not too hot (North Africa is too hot for my taste). I wouldn't object to living in that climate type (Csa, Csb), but I'd be worried about rainfall: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_climate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_climate Personally I'd lean more towards Oceanic: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oceanic_climate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oceanic_climate Still mild, with some seasonality. I do understand why some people wouldn't want all the cloudiness.