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I upload home videos to FB now just so I can watch them in a virtual cinema. With no offense to you intended that feels so incredibly wasteful from a network b

I upload home videos to FB now just so I can watch them in a virtual cinema. With no offense to you intended that feels so incredibly wasteful from a network bandwidth perspective-- both the upload and the streaming back down to watch. It also seems incredibly privacy invading. I cannot understand how people stomach the business model.

mark_l_watson 5y ago
I only uploaded Arizona hiking videos, perhaps a few kayaking videos also. I did say that I am not a FB fan, but the Oculus is a very fun product. re: wasting bandwidth or computer resources. Compared to what has been used in my work for customers, this is a drop in the ocean. This is probably more detail than you want, but since you mentioned FB’s business model (and thanks for your comment): I had all but stopped using FB until Apple placed restrictions on apps sharing information without permission. Now I probably spend 4 or 5 minutes a day on FB. I seldom post but I like to see what my family is doing. That said, I have spent almost an hour today with family on FaceTime and the phone, and a 2 hour coffee with friends this morning. Much more satisfying than social media!
- EvanAnderson 5y ago
  I feel like I'm missing out of a lot of cool experiences, but I just can't get behind the hardware being, effectively, a rental on Facebook's whim. Does it bother you that Facebook can deny your use of the Oculus hardware with little to no recourse available? re: bandwidth - I have a 90s sysadmin background. Analogous to being a "child of the depression" I have a permanent paranoia re: bandwidth scarcity. Years of making a living supporting corporate WANs running across drinking straw-sized pipes with to-the-moon-and-back latency has, no doubt, scarred me. I can't help but think that the world would be better, however, if developers tried to make things that worked "local first" and kept traffic on the local network as much as possible. Overall I'm probably destined for "hermit living in a shack" when it comes to the direction technology is going. I'm a market segment of about a baker's dozen of people, I'd guess. I have no tolerance for products that are unable to function without the use of a third-party system for any reason other by necessity. If a product requires compute or storage resources that, by necessity, need to be off-device then so be it. If the product needs off-device resources to drive a vendor lock-in model, DRM, etc, then it's a net negative for humanity. Living in a world where Lamport's famous distributed systems quote[0] is also really infuriating to me. I want my stuff to work when I want it to work. Nobody can take away my locally-hosted stuff. [0] https://lamport.azurewebsites.net/pubs/distributed-system.txt https://lamport.azurewebsites.net/pubs/distributed-system.tx...
  - mark_l_watson 5y ago
    The Quest and a few games are cheap enough that if the service were cut off, it wouldn’t be too big of a deal. It is OK to enjoy things, with a little detachment when it comes to not worrying about losing them.

mark_l_watson 5y ago

I only uploaded Arizona hiking videos, perhaps a few kayaking videos also. I did say that I am not a FB fan, but the Oculus is a very fun product. re: wasting bandwidth or computer resources. Compared to what has been used in my work for customers, this is a drop in the ocean. This is probably more detail than you want, but since you mentioned FB’s business model (and thanks for your comment): I had all but stopped using FB until Apple placed restrictions on apps sharing information without permission. Now I probably spend 4 or 5 minutes a day on FB. I seldom post but I like to see what my family is doing. That said, I have spent almost an hour today with family on FaceTime and the phone, and a 2 hour coffee with friends this morning. Much more satisfying than social media!

EvanAnderson 5y ago
I feel like I'm missing out of a lot of cool experiences, but I just can't get behind the hardware being, effectively, a rental on Facebook's whim. Does it bother you that Facebook can deny your use of the Oculus hardware with little to no recourse available? re: bandwidth - I have a 90s sysadmin background. Analogous to being a "child of the depression" I have a permanent paranoia re: bandwidth scarcity. Years of making a living supporting corporate WANs running across drinking straw-sized pipes with to-the-moon-and-back latency has, no doubt, scarred me. I can't help but think that the world would be better, however, if developers tried to make things that worked "local first" and kept traffic on the local network as much as possible. Overall I'm probably destined for "hermit living in a shack" when it comes to the direction technology is going. I'm a market segment of about a baker's dozen of people, I'd guess. I have no tolerance for products that are unable to function without the use of a third-party system for any reason other by necessity. If a product requires compute or storage resources that, by necessity, need to be off-device then so be it. If the product needs off-device resources to drive a vendor lock-in model, DRM, etc, then it's a net negative for humanity. Living in a world where Lamport's famous distributed systems quote[0] is also really infuriating to me. I want my stuff to work when I want it to work. Nobody can take away my locally-hosted stuff. [0] https://lamport.azurewebsites.net/pubs/distributed-system.txt https://lamport.azurewebsites.net/pubs/distributed-system.tx...
- mark_l_watson 5y ago
  The Quest and a few games are cheap enough that if the service were cut off, it wouldn’t be too big of a deal. It is OK to enjoy things, with a little detachment when it comes to not worrying about losing them.