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This is so depressing. It is such a strong signal that the general consumer just does not give a shit when it comes to privacy or hardware products being able t

This is so depressing. It is such a strong signal that the general consumer just does not give a shit when it comes to privacy or hardware products being able to be remotely disabled by bloody facebook of all people.

baby 5y ago
It is an amazing product.
- kstrauser 5y ago
  ...tied to a horrid service. Do you really want Facebook having full access to your VR activity log? All of it?
  - missedthecue 5y ago
    What exactly is the downside
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    - kstrauser 5y ago
      I don't own a VR set, so this is talking about ideas rather than any specific implementation. Every time I've heard someone mention having a VR setup, in a social/non-work setting, someone has asked them if they've checked out porn on it. In fairness, we've all read Snow Crash etc. and wondered how close we're getting to that stuff in the real world. Now, the big question: do you want Facebook to have a record of porn you've viewed, even if it was for 5 minutes out of curiosity? Can you imagine the "interesting" ads you might start getting if you did that? I consider this similar to "why do you care if you're being watched if you have nothing to hide?". I'm not doing anything illegal there, but I don't want a camera in my bathroom. Similarly, even if I'm not doing anything illegal online, darned if I want Facebook to have a record of everything I do.
  - mod 5y ago
    Probably one of the information sets I'd care the least about. I'd rather they have that, for instance, than my face in photos my friends took that they incorporate into their facial recognition.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
  Which personally I can't help but hear as "But she's got a new hat!". I don't share OPs depression over it, but it is pretty disappointing.
c7DJTLrn 5y ago
Yep. I got rid of my headset when the account migration plans were announced but I've never heard of anybody else doing this. General consumers just don't care, even with all of the complaints about Facebook accounts being locked and bricking headsets.
colinmhayes 5y ago
As if practically everyone with internet access being on facebook wasn't proof that almost no one gives a shit about privacy.
BoorishBears 5y ago
What's depressing to me is that in 2021 there are still people who look down on others for not placing privacy over functionality. That's the mentality that ensures casual use of open platforms by every day people will remain a fringe occurrence. It's almost like people think being open/free/privacy-conscious should somehow make up for an otherwise inferior product, and that's just not the case. - I have a CV1, *DK2, Quest 2. I've used the Vive, I've used the Index. The Quest is just an insane value. Features the most approachable VR controller by far, works with PCs and standalone so it scales with the user's interest. UI is very very well thought out. It's just a really damn good piece of hardware for a seriously competitive price. That's why it sells.
- breakfastduck 5y ago
  It's not about privacy really. They can stop you using a piece of hardware you purchased. With no warning. With no repercussions. And essentially no way to appeal. Would I be okay if Sony could remote disable my PlayStation? Obviously not. So why is it acceptable with VR hardware? It's not 'good value' if you can be blocked from using it.
  - BoorishBears 5y ago
    Lol uh... Sony can. In the same way FB can. Break TOS => Cancel account => Gimped hardware. And if you think I'm exaggerating, just try setting up a Playstation without a PS account and signing their TOS. It's ironic that the Quest gets this laser focus when it's only doing exactly what every other console is doing...
    - breakfastduck 5y ago
      It is not doing the same thing at all. I can use a PS4/5 totally offline if I want to. Occulus does not work without a facebook account signed in full stop. Not comparable.
motoxpro 5y ago
I'm glad you're coming to find out there are individual preference in the world. That's like saying, "It's so depressing, people are still driving cars even though they have killed countless people. Such a strong signal that people don't care about their lives."
- breakfastduck 5y ago
  More like "its so depressing, people are still driving cars even though they're destroying the environment. Such a strong signal that people don't care about the planet if it means they dont have to sit next to a stranger on the bus"
mtoddsmith 5y ago
Don't all the other devices tie you to an account somehow? Xbox live account. Nintendo switch account. Epic account. Playstation account. Steam account. etc. etc.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
  The big difference with Facebook is that it is tied your social media account. Get banned from that and you can't play games anymore. And Facebook explicitly bans accounts that don't use real names and other PI, and rumor has it they love to ban obvious VR-only accounts as well.
  - baby 5y ago
    I hear that a lot, but how can they know you’re not using a real name?

baby 5y ago

It is an amazing product.

kstrauser 5y ago
...tied to a horrid service. Do you really want Facebook having full access to your VR activity log? All of it?
- missedthecue 5y ago
  What exactly is the downside
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    [deleted]
  - kstrauser 5y ago
    I don't own a VR set, so this is talking about ideas rather than any specific implementation. Every time I've heard someone mention having a VR setup, in a social/non-work setting, someone has asked them if they've checked out porn on it. In fairness, we've all read Snow Crash etc. and wondered how close we're getting to that stuff in the real world. Now, the big question: do you want Facebook to have a record of porn you've viewed, even if it was for 5 minutes out of curiosity? Can you imagine the "interesting" ads you might start getting if you did that? I consider this similar to "why do you care if you're being watched if you have nothing to hide?". I'm not doing anything illegal there, but I don't want a camera in my bathroom. Similarly, even if I'm not doing anything illegal online, darned if I want Facebook to have a record of everything I do.
- mod 5y ago
  Probably one of the information sets I'd care the least about. I'd rather they have that, for instance, than my face in photos my friends took that they incorporate into their facial recognition.
AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
Which personally I can't help but hear as "But she's got a new hat!". I don't share OPs depression over it, but it is pretty disappointing.

c7DJTLrn 5y ago

Yep. I got rid of my headset when the account migration plans were announced but I've never heard of anybody else doing this. General consumers just don't care, even with all of the complaints about Facebook accounts being locked and bricking headsets.

colinmhayes 5y ago

As if practically everyone with internet access being on facebook wasn't proof that almost no one gives a shit about privacy.

BoorishBears 5y ago

What's depressing to me is that in 2021 there are still people who look down on others for not placing privacy over functionality. That's the mentality that ensures casual use of open platforms by every day people will remain a fringe occurrence. It's almost like people think being open/free/privacy-conscious should somehow make up for an otherwise inferior product, and that's just not the case. - I have a CV1, *DK2, Quest 2. I've used the Vive, I've used the Index. The Quest is just an insane value. Features the most approachable VR controller by far, works with PCs and standalone so it scales with the user's interest. UI is very very well thought out. It's just a really damn good piece of hardware for a seriously competitive price. That's why it sells.

breakfastduck 5y ago
It's not about privacy really. They can stop you using a piece of hardware you purchased. With no warning. With no repercussions. And essentially no way to appeal. Would I be okay if Sony could remote disable my PlayStation? Obviously not. So why is it acceptable with VR hardware? It's not 'good value' if you can be blocked from using it.
- BoorishBears 5y ago
  Lol uh... Sony can. In the same way FB can. Break TOS => Cancel account => Gimped hardware. And if you think I'm exaggerating, just try setting up a Playstation without a PS account and signing their TOS. It's ironic that the Quest gets this laser focus when it's only doing exactly what every other console is doing...
  - breakfastduck 5y ago
    It is not doing the same thing at all. I can use a PS4/5 totally offline if I want to. Occulus does not work without a facebook account signed in full stop. Not comparable.

motoxpro 5y ago

I'm glad you're coming to find out there are individual preference in the world. That's like saying, "It's so depressing, people are still driving cars even though they have killed countless people. Such a strong signal that people don't care about their lives."

breakfastduck 5y ago
More like "its so depressing, people are still driving cars even though they're destroying the environment. Such a strong signal that people don't care about the planet if it means they dont have to sit next to a stranger on the bus"

mtoddsmith 5y ago

Don't all the other devices tie you to an account somehow? Xbox live account. Nintendo switch account. Epic account. Playstation account. Steam account. etc. etc.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
The big difference with Facebook is that it is tied your social media account. Get banned from that and you can't play games anymore. And Facebook explicitly bans accounts that don't use real names and other PI, and rumor has it they love to ban obvious VR-only accounts as well.
- baby 5y ago
  I hear that a lot, but how can they know you’re not using a real name?