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LFP is reported at ~$80/kwh for large Chinese buyers. Are those figures accurate? Sure its good to have alternatives, but seems LFP will takeover the world exc

LFP is reported at ~$80/kwh for large Chinese buyers. Are those figures accurate? Sure its good to have alternatives, but seems LFP will takeover the world except for the premium uses (especially as we get chargers everywhere).

baybal2 5y ago
> LFP is reported at ~$80/kwh for large Chinese buyers. Are those figures accurate? Yes, automotive buyers were having it for less than $100 per kWh for at least 5 years now. Still not sure for which density range these prices are. 190wh/kg LFP cells are now available in retail, and 200wh/kg been around for at least 2 years for automotive, and been used in EV busses from a few manufacturers. It wouldn't be a stretch to say that biggest, and longest term contracts can get it to $60 per kWh. Lowest end, storage class LFPs must also be quite cheap in lower volumes, and haven't looked at them for a long time.
- matmatmatmat 5y ago
  Genuine question, as a private individual looking into residential storage, what kind $/kWh should I be expecting if I could get the system and install it myself, and why is it so much higher than the big manufacturers? Is it just volume?
  - baybal2 5y ago
    The volume, and shipping hurdles are sure a part of thing, but there are persistent speculation about nearly every battery maker putting no resale clause on the contract, and enforcing them zealously to keep retail prices high, so their distributors can make a buck. Depending on your size. Inverter prices vary most dramatically for minor features, and options. For batteries only, with shipping, and duties, think of a double of alibaba.com price.
- algo_trader 5y ago
  And yet Tesla Megapack volume priced at $280/kwh [1], for 2023 delivery! Argh. Where is the big cost? AC convertion? the cooling? pack isolation and protection ? The special logo ? [1] https://electrek.co/2021/07/26/tesla-reveals-megapack-prices/ https://electrek.co/2021/07/26/tesla-reveals-megapack-prices...
  - baybal2 5y ago
    With them getting half of inputs for their batteries from abroad, it's not a big stretch to say that their own cost is still above 100$ pew kWh
mrfusion 5y ago
What’s LFP?
- diegocg 5y ago
  lithium ferrophosphate Says Google

baybal2 5y ago

> LFP is reported at ~$80/kwh for large Chinese buyers. Are those figures accurate? Yes, automotive buyers were having it for less than $100 per kWh for at least 5 years now. Still not sure for which density range these prices are. 190wh/kg LFP cells are now available in retail, and 200wh/kg been around for at least 2 years for automotive, and been used in EV busses from a few manufacturers. It wouldn't be a stretch to say that biggest, and longest term contracts can get it to $60 per kWh. Lowest end, storage class LFPs must also be quite cheap in lower volumes, and haven't looked at them for a long time.

matmatmatmat 5y ago
Genuine question, as a private individual looking into residential storage, what kind $/kWh should I be expecting if I could get the system and install it myself, and why is it so much higher than the big manufacturers? Is it just volume?
- baybal2 5y ago
  The volume, and shipping hurdles are sure a part of thing, but there are persistent speculation about nearly every battery maker putting no resale clause on the contract, and enforcing them zealously to keep retail prices high, so their distributors can make a buck. Depending on your size. Inverter prices vary most dramatically for minor features, and options. For batteries only, with shipping, and duties, think of a double of alibaba.com price.
algo_trader 5y ago
And yet Tesla Megapack volume priced at $280/kwh [1], for 2023 delivery! Argh. Where is the big cost? AC convertion? the cooling? pack isolation and protection ? The special logo ? [1] https://electrek.co/2021/07/26/tesla-reveals-megapack-prices/ https://electrek.co/2021/07/26/tesla-reveals-megapack-prices...
- baybal2 5y ago
  With them getting half of inputs for their batteries from abroad, it's not a big stretch to say that their own cost is still above 100$ pew kWh

mrfusion 5y ago

What’s LFP?

diegocg 5y ago
lithium ferrophosphate Says Google