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Everything about it is wonderful (I really mean that) except the fact that he's sponging off his mother to do it. I can't help but feel that it's a drop of vine

Everything about it is wonderful (I really mean that) except the fact that he's sponging off his mother to do it. I can't help but feel that it's a drop of vinegar that spoils the whole cup of milk

markus_zhang 5y ago
I think it's OK as long as they feel it's OK. We can say that his mother "sponsors" the project.
- wly_cdgr 5y ago
  Edit: I was wrong about how much he is relying on his family - didn't realize how much Patreon support the project now has compared to when I last looked. My bad, should have checked. I still agree with the below in the abstract but I retract my criticism in this case I can get with that take when it comes to Patreon but it's harder to demonstrate ok-ness-with-it with family. Let's say she's really not all that jazzed about it, actually. What is she gonna do, throw her son out on the street? A lot of parents don't have it in them to do that even if they think they would be justified and it would be the best thing for their child. An adult shouldn't put their parents in that position. He should be making sure his mom is provided for, not the other way around
  - lupire 5y ago
    Maybe his mother enjoys paying her son to create one of humanity's great works of art.
nmz 5y ago
He is? He's making almost 9k a month, that's pretty good if you ask me. https://www.patreon.com/bay12games https://www.patreon.com/bay12games
- wly_cdgr 5y ago
  I stand very much corrected, I didn't realize the project had gathered so much support steam compared to 5-10 years ago. Happy to see it
  - dharmab 5y ago
    IIRC they added paid options after a family health scare caused them to realize that they needed a way to pay for better health insurance.
  - AfterShave 5y ago
    If you look at the monthly reports from a decade ago you see they were given donations ranging from 2000 to 6000 dollars a month even then. http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=97092.0 http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=97092.0
- burntoutfire 5y ago
  That's for two people (him and his brother, who's also working on the game, but in a non-coding capacity).
fellowniusmonk 5y ago
Why would this spoil the milk? Why is it called "sponging"? The middle class safety net (something I grew up without) is one of the greatest sources of freedom and investment generally available. Multi generational homes and properties are historically pretty normal and a net family positive for holding onto wealth. For example: https://www.middleclasspaas.com/ https://www.middleclasspaas.com/

Everything about it is wonderful (I really mean that) except the fact that he's sponging off his mother to do it. I can't help but feel that it's a drop of vinegar that spoils the whole cup of milk

markus_zhang 5y ago

I think it's OK as long as they feel it's OK. We can say that his mother "sponsors" the project.

wly_cdgr 5y ago
Edit: I was wrong about how much he is relying on his family - didn't realize how much Patreon support the project now has compared to when I last looked. My bad, should have checked. I still agree with the below in the abstract but I retract my criticism in this case I can get with that take when it comes to Patreon but it's harder to demonstrate ok-ness-with-it with family. Let's say she's really not all that jazzed about it, actually. What is she gonna do, throw her son out on the street? A lot of parents don't have it in them to do that even if they think they would be justified and it would be the best thing for their child. An adult shouldn't put their parents in that position. He should be making sure his mom is provided for, not the other way around
- lupire 5y ago
  Maybe his mother enjoys paying her son to create one of humanity's great works of art.

nmz 5y ago

He is? He's making almost 9k a month, that's pretty good if you ask me. https://www.patreon.com/bay12games https://www.patreon.com/bay12games

wly_cdgr 5y ago
I stand very much corrected, I didn't realize the project had gathered so much support steam compared to 5-10 years ago. Happy to see it
- dharmab 5y ago
  IIRC they added paid options after a family health scare caused them to realize that they needed a way to pay for better health insurance.
- AfterShave 5y ago
  If you look at the monthly reports from a decade ago you see they were given donations ranging from 2000 to 6000 dollars a month even then. http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=97092.0 http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=97092.0
burntoutfire 5y ago
That's for two people (him and his brother, who's also working on the game, but in a non-coding capacity).

fellowniusmonk 5y ago

Why would this spoil the milk? Why is it called "sponging"? The middle class safety net (something I grew up without) is one of the greatest sources of freedom and investment generally available. Multi generational homes and properties are historically pretty normal and a net family positive for holding onto wealth. For example: https://www.middleclasspaas.com/ https://www.middleclasspaas.com/