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now do elon

by ffggvv 5y ago

now do elon

rwmj 5y ago
Are you claiming that Tesla vehicles are fraudulent and only drive when rolling down hills?
- Pyramus 5y ago
  No, parent is likely saying Elon could be indicted for fraud as well. He wasn't exactly exonerated by the SEC for 'funding secured', and there are a number of lawsuits outstanding, most notably the Solar City one. Just because you have an innovative and popular product doesn't mean you can't conduct fraud?
  - space_rock 5y ago
    Sounds like you think this is a non ridiculous comparison? A market moving statement comparable to theranos vaporware
    - Pyramus 5y ago
      Did Enron just use aggressive accounting? Did Wirecard just overpay for its acquisitions and hide the losses in its balance sheet? What type of fraud is still okay - where do you draw the line?
      - space_rock 5y ago
        Sounds like you're trying to blur the fraud line and make weak comparisons when no one is in disagreement over Enron, Wildcard or Nicola
- misiti3780 5y ago
  The number of Tesla haters on HN is bizarre.
  - sixQuarks 5y ago
    You have to realize there are a LOT of people on here who fail to launch successful startups. Lots of projecting and sour grapes.
    - misiti3780 5y ago
      Ya, that's a good point, and I never thought about the selection bias.
      - sixQuarks 5y ago
        Also, most people only read headlines. There has been so much FUD in the news about Tesla and Musk. If you’re not following things closely, watching all his interviews, etc, then it’s easy to believe what you read in sensationalized clickbait headlines
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
  - ren_engineer 5y ago
    Musk is pretty much the dream of what every nerd wants to become. There's a lot of jaded people on HN who think they are just as smart/talented as Musk but don't have anywhere near the success. They deal with the cognitive dissonance by calling him a fraud/scammer or wanting to see him fail. Fanboys of Musk aren't much better, Musk just seems to attract extremists on either side of the aisle who either love him or hate him
    - misiti3780 5y ago
      I agree, but regardless I dont see why we call cant agree that for all of the guy's faults, he is done some truly incredible things and he is still pretty young. He is a net positive for the world.
      - joering2 5y ago
- ffggvv 5y ago
  fraudulent? yes. “full self driving”? fraud.
- NewLogic 5y ago
  Auto pilot full self driving is fraudulent and been coming next year for half a decade.
- rvz 5y ago
  FSD (Full Self Driving) feature in Tesla Cars is fraudulently advertised and has put many Tesla customers lives at great risk and has also killed them too. [0] Do you not want to warn others about this scam that Tesla is selling that can cause someone to believe it and lose their life when the software malfunctions or gets confused? [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/05/business/tesla-autopilot-lawsuits-safety.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/05/business/tesla-autopilot-...
- BlissWaves 5y ago
  Tesla is selling Full Self Driving when they do not have the technology.
- throwaway123414 5y ago
  I've been following Tesla and Elon Musk for a few years already and I've seen many instances when you can see Elon doing dubious stuff. Just before of Tesla's acquisition of Solar City (his cousin's company) they presented the Solar roof [0]. It has been reported [1] that the roof just didn't work, it didn't generate any electricity. In fact, my understanding is that even today they are having many issues with the system. How is announcing a "solar roof" that doesn't generate electricity different that announcing a truck that doesn't move? Also, people often forget that when Nikola went mainstream, an email from Elon Musk was leaked to the press stating that Tesla was going to ramp up production of the Tesla Semi [3]. Goes without saying that the Tesla Semi has been delayed yet another year since its unveiling back in 2017. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sfwDyiPTdU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sfwDyiPTdU [1] https://www.fastcompany.com/40422084/inside-steel-pulse-the-mysterious-project-that-became-elon-musks-solar-roof https://www.fastcompany.com/40422084/inside-steel-pulse-the-... [2] https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/06/10/musk-presses-the-gas-tesla-to-ramp-up-production-o.aspx https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/06/10/musk-presses-the-g...
rvz 5y ago
Like many famous people that have a massive cult following, some people like the current Tesla CEO, are allowed and able to get away with lots of fraud and can still continue to mislead their own customers. Like the dangerous and faulty 'Full Self Driving' software that is killing their customers. [0] The villains of this week is Trevor Milton and Nikola Motors. Tesla will probably get away with [0] no matter how many people expose FSD which puts lots of drivers lives at risk. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/05/business/tesla-autopilot-lawsuits-safety.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/05/business/tesla-autopilot-...
- tibbydudeza 5y ago
  Like MLM's - just cultism.

now do elon

by ffggvv 5y ago

now do elon

rwmj 5y ago

Are you claiming that Tesla vehicles are fraudulent and only drive when rolling down hills?

Pyramus 5y ago
No, parent is likely saying Elon could be indicted for fraud as well. He wasn't exactly exonerated by the SEC for 'funding secured', and there are a number of lawsuits outstanding, most notably the Solar City one. Just because you have an innovative and popular product doesn't mean you can't conduct fraud?
- space_rock 5y ago
  Sounds like you think this is a non ridiculous comparison? A market moving statement comparable to theranos vaporware
  - Pyramus 5y ago
    Did Enron just use aggressive accounting? Did Wirecard just overpay for its acquisitions and hide the losses in its balance sheet? What type of fraud is still okay - where do you draw the line?
    - space_rock 5y ago
      Sounds like you're trying to blur the fraud line and make weak comparisons when no one is in disagreement over Enron, Wildcard or Nicola
misiti3780 5y ago
The number of Tesla haters on HN is bizarre.
- sixQuarks 5y ago
  You have to realize there are a LOT of people on here who fail to launch successful startups. Lots of projecting and sour grapes.
  - misiti3780 5y ago
    Ya, that's a good point, and I never thought about the selection bias.
    - sixQuarks 5y ago
      Also, most people only read headlines. There has been so much FUD in the news about Tesla and Musk. If you’re not following things closely, watching all his interviews, etc, then it’s easy to believe what you read in sensationalized clickbait headlines
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
- ren_engineer 5y ago
  Musk is pretty much the dream of what every nerd wants to become. There's a lot of jaded people on HN who think they are just as smart/talented as Musk but don't have anywhere near the success. They deal with the cognitive dissonance by calling him a fraud/scammer or wanting to see him fail. Fanboys of Musk aren't much better, Musk just seems to attract extremists on either side of the aisle who either love him or hate him
  - misiti3780 5y ago
    I agree, but regardless I dont see why we call cant agree that for all of the guy's faults, he is done some truly incredible things and he is still pretty young. He is a net positive for the world.
    - joering2 5y ago
ffggvv 5y ago
fraudulent? yes. “full self driving”? fraud.
NewLogic 5y ago
Auto pilot full self driving is fraudulent and been coming next year for half a decade.
rvz 5y ago
FSD (Full Self Driving) feature in Tesla Cars is fraudulently advertised and has put many Tesla customers lives at great risk and has also killed them too. [0] Do you not want to warn others about this scam that Tesla is selling that can cause someone to believe it and lose their life when the software malfunctions or gets confused? [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/05/business/tesla-autopilot-lawsuits-safety.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/05/business/tesla-autopilot-...
BlissWaves 5y ago
Tesla is selling Full Self Driving when they do not have the technology.
throwaway123414 5y ago
I've been following Tesla and Elon Musk for a few years already and I've seen many instances when you can see Elon doing dubious stuff. Just before of Tesla's acquisition of Solar City (his cousin's company) they presented the Solar roof [0]. It has been reported [1] that the roof just didn't work, it didn't generate any electricity. In fact, my understanding is that even today they are having many issues with the system. How is announcing a "solar roof" that doesn't generate electricity different that announcing a truck that doesn't move? Also, people often forget that when Nikola went mainstream, an email from Elon Musk was leaked to the press stating that Tesla was going to ramp up production of the Tesla Semi [3]. Goes without saying that the Tesla Semi has been delayed yet another year since its unveiling back in 2017. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sfwDyiPTdU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sfwDyiPTdU [1] https://www.fastcompany.com/40422084/inside-steel-pulse-the-mysterious-project-that-became-elon-musks-solar-roof https://www.fastcompany.com/40422084/inside-steel-pulse-the-... [2] https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/06/10/musk-presses-the-gas-tesla-to-ramp-up-production-o.aspx https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/06/10/musk-presses-the-g...

rvz 5y ago

Like many famous people that have a massive cult following, some people like the current Tesla CEO, are allowed and able to get away with lots of fraud and can still continue to mislead their own customers. Like the dangerous and faulty 'Full Self Driving' software that is killing their customers. [0] The villains of this week is Trevor Milton and Nikola Motors. Tesla will probably get away with [0] no matter how many people expose FSD which puts lots of drivers lives at risk. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/05/business/tesla-autopilot-lawsuits-safety.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/05/business/tesla-autopilot-...

tibbydudeza 5y ago
Like MLM's - just cultism.