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How much do you think gets taken out of your paycheck before you get it in country's with universal healthcare? And that happens even if you don't use it. And

How much do you think gets taken out of your paycheck before you get it in country's with universal healthcare? And that happens even if you don't use it. And who the hell has an 8k deductible? This choice isn't 8k deductible or "free" healthcare. That's a farce.

ceejayoz 5y ago
> How much do you think gets taken out of your paycheck before you get it in country's with universal healthcare? Less. https://data.oecd.org/healthres/health-spending.htm https://data.oecd.org/healthres/health-spending.htm has a chart of all OECD healthcare spending, both public and private. The US clearly stands out at the end. Employer-provided healthcare "gets taken out of your paycheck" all the same, just less visibly. This is a significant part of the political problem in the US; the true costs are hidden. > And who the hell has an 8k deductible? Most folks on an ACA Bronze plan. https://news.ehealthinsurance.com/insights-blog/lower-premiums-but-higher-out-of-pocket-costs-for-2020-aca-consumers https://news.ehealthinsurance.com/insights-blog/lower-premiu... "For a family of four, average Bronze plan deductibles are rising by 3% (from $13,017 to $13,394), while the average maximum out-of-pocket limit is increasing 4% (from $14,916 to $15,462)."
- CountDrewku 5y ago
  You realize they choose the bronze plan so they can pay less right? They're not forced into having an 8k deductible. They do this so they can have less taken out of pocket and only really use the healthcare in a major emergency. This would support the idea that people prefer the US system and not universal healthcare.
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    They choose the Bronze plan because it's literally all they can afford. My family's ACA Platinum plan costs me $2,200/month this year, and there's still $4k of copays a year to meet.

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How much do you think gets taken out of your paycheck before you get it in country's with universal healthcare? And that happens even if you don't use it. And

by CountDrewku 5y ago

ceejayoz 5y ago
> How much do you think gets taken out of your paycheck before you get it in country's with universal healthcare? Less. https://data.oecd.org/healthres/health-spending.htm https://data.oecd.org/healthres/health-spending.htm has a chart of all OECD healthcare spending, both public and private. The US clearly stands out at the end. Employer-provided healthcare "gets taken out of your paycheck" all the same, just less visibly. This is a significant part of the political problem in the US; the true costs are hidden. > And who the hell has an 8k deductible? Most folks on an ACA Bronze plan. https://news.ehealthinsurance.com/insights-blog/lower-premiums-but-higher-out-of-pocket-costs-for-2020-aca-consumers https://news.ehealthinsurance.com/insights-blog/lower-premiu... "For a family of four, average Bronze plan deductibles are rising by 3% (from $13,017 to $13,394), while the average maximum out-of-pocket limit is increasing 4% (from $14,916 to $15,462)."
- CountDrewku 5y ago
  You realize they choose the bronze plan so they can pay less right? They're not forced into having an 8k deductible. They do this so they can have less taken out of pocket and only really use the healthcare in a major emergency. This would support the idea that people prefer the US system and not universal healthcare.
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    They choose the Bronze plan because it's literally all they can afford. My family's ACA Platinum plan costs me $2,200/month this year, and there's still $4k of copays a year to meet.