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What do you propose to do with `anti-vax nutjobs`? They won't listen to you after reading the comment, which you try to completely dismiss and dehumanize them.

CyberDildonics 5y ago
It isn't "dehumanizing" someone when they ignore substantial and overwhelming evidence and others point that out.
- throwaway_12_12 5y ago
  This is exactly what these people can tell to you too, that you `ignore substantial and overwhelming evidence` - making statements like this does not help to solve the issue.
  - CyberDildonics 5y ago
    And what is "the issue"? Is it people saying they are being "dehumanized" because the propaganda they watch makes them feel uncomfortable with something that has already had four billion doses given out? https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=OWID_WRL https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=OWID_W...
    - throwaway_12_12 5y ago
      I believe the real issue is the state of mind, where two sides of dispute cannot find a consensus and tension keeps growing over time. Situation like this is leading to physical extermination of one of the sides. We have seen this in the history of humanity.
- bananabiscuit 5y ago
  Agreed. Let’s not ignore that: different people will have different risk/benefit profiles; that these vaccines are still in fact experimental; that there is no reproductive toxicity report for these vaccines; that there is data showing that the lipid nanoparticles from this vaccine accumulate in the ovaries; the rushed COVID vaccines are responsible for more all-cause deaths than the last 30 years of vaccines combined; that people with natural immunity have no evidence based reason to take these vaccines; that mass vaccination during pandemics create evolutionary pressure for immune escape variants; that there is now data showing that antibody-dependent enhancement is a real possibility due to these vaccines. This all needs to be followed up on and both these worrying signs and any follow ups need to be accurately and loudly reported to the public. Instead it all gets brushed under the rug and drowned out with “safe and effective. Safe and effective. Safe and effective”.
  - CyberDildonics 5y ago
    What you are saying here is conspiracy theory nonsense unless you can source substantial evidence or even explain how any of this could be true. What would not be experimental to you? There have been 4 billion doses given out. How many more billions of doses do you need before you start saying things that have evidence instead of things that do not? https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=OWID_WRL https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=OWID_W...
    - bananabiscuit 5y ago
      Let me address all of these different people will have different risk/benefit profiles: should be self evident that these vaccines are still in fact experimental: all current COVID vaccines are still being distributed under a EUA. that there is no reproductive toxicity report for these vaccines: I checked on the status of this again, so far this study [1] that will be published next month seems to be all we have. Note that the study is on only 44 subjects, all of them rats. Additionally, please try going to the VAERS database [2] and do a query for “Spontaneous abortion” grouped by year, notice that out of the last 22 years, 48% of such events occurred in 2021 (which we are only about half through). Surely this needs some sort of follow up. there is data showing that the lipid nanoparticles from this vaccine accumulate in the ovaries: [3], this is in rats, this should be followed up, especially when taken with the context VAERS data above, but the only follow ups I can find are hot takes from non-experts. the rushed COVID vaccines are responsible for more all-cause deaths than the last 30 years of vaccines combined: [2] again, you can build the appropriate query yourself. I can’t draw a definitive conclusion here, but it’s rather scary that this is being mostly ignored except by right-wing media who are quick to draw their own possibly wrong from-the-hip conclusions. that people with natural immunity have no evidence based reason to take these vaccines: here’s what The WHO has to say about it [4]. In general it seems when we are about X months past feb 2020, there is evidence that natural immunity works for about X minus 2 months. Which is to be expected as we are collecting data in real time. However the public is being constantly misdirected about this. The party line is that “long term immunity from natural infections is uncertain, but from vaccinations is certain” which cannot be a possible real conclusion because this virus has only been around for less than 2 years, and the vaccines for about half that time. If anything, we obviously know more about the long term immunity from natural infection, than the vaccine. And that WHO report sheepishly admits as much. that mass vaccination during pandemics create evolutionary pressure for immune escape variants: feel like this should be a no-brainer, but here’s one random article that goes in depth about it [4] there is now data showing that antibody-dependent enhancement is a real possibility due to these vaccines: there was an NBC report 2 days ago that showed signs that this might be the case, but it got memory-holed [5]. Here’s another symptom of ADE [6]. This (and all the other points) should be talked about, addressed, followed up on. Not condescendingly swept under the rug as conspiracy theories. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8163337/#!po=0.793651 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8163337/#!po=0.... [2] https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html [3] https://byrambridle.com/docs/bio-dist.pdf https://byrambridle.com/docs/bio-dist.pdf [4] https://www.quantamagazine.org/how-vaccines-can-drive-pathogens-to-evolve-20180510/ https://www.quantamagazine.org/how-vaccines-can-drive-pathog... [5] https://luis46pr.wordpress.com/2021/07/29/usa-today-deletes-nbc-news-report-showing-covid-vaccinated-spread-virus/ https://luis46pr.wordpress.com/2021/07/29/usa-today-deletes-... [6] https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2021/07/26/covid-vaccination-california-counties/ https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2021/07/26/covid-vaccination...

CyberDildonics 5y ago

It isn't "dehumanizing" someone when they ignore substantial and overwhelming evidence and others point that out.

throwaway_12_12 5y ago
This is exactly what these people can tell to you too, that you `ignore substantial and overwhelming evidence` - making statements like this does not help to solve the issue.
- CyberDildonics 5y ago
  And what is "the issue"? Is it people saying they are being "dehumanized" because the propaganda they watch makes them feel uncomfortable with something that has already had four billion doses given out? https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=OWID_WRL https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=OWID_W...
  - throwaway_12_12 5y ago
    I believe the real issue is the state of mind, where two sides of dispute cannot find a consensus and tension keeps growing over time. Situation like this is leading to physical extermination of one of the sides. We have seen this in the history of humanity.
bananabiscuit 5y ago
Agreed. Let’s not ignore that: different people will have different risk/benefit profiles; that these vaccines are still in fact experimental; that there is no reproductive toxicity report for these vaccines; that there is data showing that the lipid nanoparticles from this vaccine accumulate in the ovaries; the rushed COVID vaccines are responsible for more all-cause deaths than the last 30 years of vaccines combined; that people with natural immunity have no evidence based reason to take these vaccines; that mass vaccination during pandemics create evolutionary pressure for immune escape variants; that there is now data showing that antibody-dependent enhancement is a real possibility due to these vaccines. This all needs to be followed up on and both these worrying signs and any follow ups need to be accurately and loudly reported to the public. Instead it all gets brushed under the rug and drowned out with “safe and effective. Safe and effective. Safe and effective”.
- CyberDildonics 5y ago
  What you are saying here is conspiracy theory nonsense unless you can source substantial evidence or even explain how any of this could be true. What would not be experimental to you? There have been 4 billion doses given out. How many more billions of doses do you need before you start saying things that have evidence instead of things that do not? https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=OWID_WRL https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=OWID_W...
  - bananabiscuit 5y ago
    Let me address all of these different people will have different risk/benefit profiles: should be self evident that these vaccines are still in fact experimental: all current COVID vaccines are still being distributed under a EUA. that there is no reproductive toxicity report for these vaccines: I checked on the status of this again, so far this study [1] that will be published next month seems to be all we have. Note that the study is on only 44 subjects, all of them rats. Additionally, please try going to the VAERS database [2] and do a query for “Spontaneous abortion” grouped by year, notice that out of the last 22 years, 48% of such events occurred in 2021 (which we are only about half through). Surely this needs some sort of follow up. there is data showing that the lipid nanoparticles from this vaccine accumulate in the ovaries: [3], this is in rats, this should be followed up, especially when taken with the context VAERS data above, but the only follow ups I can find are hot takes from non-experts. the rushed COVID vaccines are responsible for more all-cause deaths than the last 30 years of vaccines combined: [2] again, you can build the appropriate query yourself. I can’t draw a definitive conclusion here, but it’s rather scary that this is being mostly ignored except by right-wing media who are quick to draw their own possibly wrong from-the-hip conclusions. that people with natural immunity have no evidence based reason to take these vaccines: here’s what The WHO has to say about it [4]. In general it seems when we are about X months past feb 2020, there is evidence that natural immunity works for about X minus 2 months. Which is to be expected as we are collecting data in real time. However the public is being constantly misdirected about this. The party line is that “long term immunity from natural infections is uncertain, but from vaccinations is certain” which cannot be a possible real conclusion because this virus has only been around for less than 2 years, and the vaccines for about half that time. If anything, we obviously know more about the long term immunity from natural infection, than the vaccine. And that WHO report sheepishly admits as much. that mass vaccination during pandemics create evolutionary pressure for immune escape variants: feel like this should be a no-brainer, but here’s one random article that goes in depth about it [4] there is now data showing that antibody-dependent enhancement is a real possibility due to these vaccines: there was an NBC report 2 days ago that showed signs that this might be the case, but it got memory-holed [5]. Here’s another symptom of ADE [6]. This (and all the other points) should be talked about, addressed, followed up on. Not condescendingly swept under the rug as conspiracy theories. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8163337/#!po=0.793651 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8163337/#!po=0.... [2] https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html [3] https://byrambridle.com/docs/bio-dist.pdf https://byrambridle.com/docs/bio-dist.pdf [4] https://www.quantamagazine.org/how-vaccines-can-drive-pathogens-to-evolve-20180510/ https://www.quantamagazine.org/how-vaccines-can-drive-pathog... [5] https://luis46pr.wordpress.com/2021/07/29/usa-today-deletes-nbc-news-report-showing-covid-vaccinated-spread-virus/ https://luis46pr.wordpress.com/2021/07/29/usa-today-deletes-... [6] https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2021/07/26/covid-vaccination-california-counties/ https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2021/07/26/covid-vaccination...