> People are exposed on a regular basis to the DMV, the SBA, to Social Security or to Medicare. Then they compare that experience with the avg experience with a

> People are exposed on a regular basis to the DMV, the SBA, to Social Security or to Medicare. Then they compare that experience with the avg experience with a commercial insurer, and it does feel like a better experience (of course, if their employer can afford it) And yet, people will also defend SS and Medicare/Medicaid till the ends of the earth. I personally find the only people that endlessly rag on social services, and to a large extent, government services, are people that have money and usually a lot of it. It's fine to argue for stopping inefficiencies, but to argue that the only way to stop inefficiencies is the complete abolishing of a government service is the peak of a particularly American argument. The argument usually comes from a place of "I have money, why do I have to put up with this, why do I deserve this?", which is an odd position to take. Americans usually carry the view that quality of service should scale with how much money you make or have, but that leads to a perverse view where worse off people, or low wage earners "deserve" the care they get in a dog eat dog world. When you have socialized healthcare options, that mindset comes across as bizarre if also irrelevant. "Deserving" never comes into the discussion aside from the idea that everyone deserves healthcare, which is the starting premise/assumption anyway. > Worse, there are stories of friends in places like CAN... > The system in the US is a mess, but those people reason that its the least worst option of the available choices. The odd thing is, Canadians might criticize the Canadian healthcare system, but I have never met a single Canadian who would suggest the American patchwork is the "least worst option". It's that kind of reasoning that a lot of people from outside the US find nearly delusional.