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Take a look at the Swiss hospital stats. Many countries don't provide hospitalization stats regularly, keep them secret, or corrupt them in various ways, for ex

Take a look at the Swiss hospital stats. Many countries don't provide hospitalization stats regularly, keep them secret, or corrupt them in various ways, for example in the UK there was a blowup just a few days ago because it turned out over half of all COVID hospitalizations appeared to be catching COVID in the hospital itself meaning those stats were giving an inflated impression of hospital load. These numbers were leaked despite their importance to understanding the severity of the epidemic. But the Swiss stats are open and public. https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/hosp-capacity/total https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/hosp-capacity/total As you can see, it never got above ~80% utilization, even though Switzerland's second wave peaked many weeks before restrictions were re-imposed. The Swiss system is well funded, but it's not an alien planet. If they can do it any developed country can. Also remember that lots of places built emergency hospitals. They were invariably never used. Or look at Swedish data. https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/contentassets/4b4dd8c7e15d48d2be744248794d1438/vardbelastning-aktuell-belaggning-over-tid-2021-07-29.pdf https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/contentassets/4b4dd8c7e1... Sweden started the pandemic with the lowest ICU capacity in the EU yet their age adjusted mortality only reached the same level as in 2012 - not even a "once in a decade" level problem. https://softwaredevelopmentperestroika.wordpress.com/2021/01/15/final-report-on-swedish-mortality-2020-anno-covid/ https://softwaredevelopmentperestroika.wordpress.com/2021/01...

lamontcg 5y ago
> "over half of all COVID hospitalizations appeared to be catching COVID in the hospital itself" That isn't factual. Half of COVID hospitalizations were diagnosed with COVID after admission. The shitty newspaper article then spread the impression that people were going into the hospital for a broken leg and contracting COVID and counted as COVID hospitalizations with exactly zero proof. The alternative explanation is that people show up at the hospital with strokes and heart attacks and are tested and show COVID positive and probably really are COVID hospital admissions due to COVID-caused thrombosis Particularly since thrombosis affects more younger people who are now making up the majority of unvaccinated hospital admissions. 40 year olds who get the sniffles and think its just a cold, then throw a clot and get admitted or just die has been happening from the very start of this. Not even going to waste my time on your WhatAboutTheSwissHospitalDataism, I have work to do and don't have hours to spend today to figure out why you're wrong.
- native_samples 5y ago
  People are tested before admission and then tested after admission. The figures are to do with the latter. People who turn up at hospital because they're dying of COVID don't get counted in the latter. Regardless, your alternative explanation is no more factually based than the obvious, simple explanation. Regardless, I can see you already have your conclusion and will stick to it. So be it.

lamontcg 5y ago

> "over half of all COVID hospitalizations appeared to be catching COVID in the hospital itself" That isn't factual. Half of COVID hospitalizations were diagnosed with COVID after admission. The shitty newspaper article then spread the impression that people were going into the hospital for a broken leg and contracting COVID and counted as COVID hospitalizations with exactly zero proof. The alternative explanation is that people show up at the hospital with strokes and heart attacks and are tested and show COVID positive and probably really are COVID hospital admissions due to COVID-caused thrombosis Particularly since thrombosis affects more younger people who are now making up the majority of unvaccinated hospital admissions. 40 year olds who get the sniffles and think its just a cold, then throw a clot and get admitted or just die has been happening from the very start of this. Not even going to waste my time on your WhatAboutTheSwissHospitalDataism, I have work to do and don't have hours to spend today to figure out why you're wrong.

native_samples 5y ago
People are tested before admission and then tested after admission. The figures are to do with the latter. People who turn up at hospital because they're dying of COVID don't get counted in the latter. Regardless, your alternative explanation is no more factually based than the obvious, simple explanation. Regardless, I can see you already have your conclusion and will stick to it. So be it.