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They do now. There was a time when you could go to the DMV and switch places with your friend right before the photo for the ID was taken. If you were under 21

They do now. There was a time when you could go to the DMV and switch places with your friend right before the photo for the ID was taken. If you were under 21 and your friend was older, you had a real fake ID made for you by the state. At least in Illinois that was the case when I was still underage. Now they do see the older photo come up when renewing a license, presumably to prevent swapping.

nly 5y ago
Seems like a dumb thing for your friend to do for you when that photo will be part of a permanent database.
- Talanes 5y ago
  The purpose of that anecdote was to demonstrate that there was no database at that time.
Aaargh20318 5y ago
> There was a time when you could go to the DMV and switch places with your friend right before the photo for the ID was taken. But wouldn't that mean your friend no longer had a valid drivers license ?
- code_duck 5y ago
  The old license is not effectively invalidated in any way. Almost nobody you presented the license to would know that another one has been issued, besides possibly a police officer. It would be fairly easy to tell them that you got a replacement and then found the old one.
  - Aaargh20318 5y ago
    > The old license is not effectively invalidated in any way. Almost nobody you presented the license to would know that another one has been issued That’s strange. Where I live, if you get a new ID you have to turn in your old one. You can keep a passport if you want (some people like to if they have a ot of stamps from their travels) but in that case they punch a couple of big holes through the entire booklet before returning it to you (basically, it removes the chip and some other security measures).
    - code_duck 5y ago
      They do ask you to do that, but what if you lost it?
      - Aaargh20318 5y ago
        If you lost it you have to go to the police and report it lost. Then you need to hand over the police report when you request a new one. Reporting it lost or stolen also invalidates your drivers license meaning you can’t drive while you wait for your new license.
        code_duck 5y ago
        I see. In what region are you referring to? I have never lived in a state with any sort of concept of rendering your license invalid because you lost a physical license, nor have I been told to file a police report. I looked it up for my state and they said you only must file a police report if you believe your license has been stolen, not lost, and you desire a new number. I’m sure policies differ among states. I picked Michigan at random. Their website merely warns that the old license will be invalidated electronically and cannot be used for border crossing while encouraging use of online replacement services. https://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,4670,7-127-1627_8669_53328---,00.html https://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,4670,7-127-1627_8669_53328---...
        Aaargh20318 5y ago
        > In what region are you referring to? The Netherlands. > rendering your license invalid because you lost a physical license If you lost it, you can't drive anyway. Why would you not invalidate a lost license ? To clarify: the physical license is invalidated, and since you need to have a physical license on you to be allowed to drive, you can not drive until you get a new physical license. If you fraudulently report your license as stolen, it is invalidated and you can no longer drive using that physical license. If you get a new one with someone else's photo on it, that basically means you can no longer drive a car.
code_duck 5y ago
Someone I know did this with his brothers documents without his brother being involved. He took the documents to the DMV and said he lost his license. Pretty much all they had to go on was basic appearance metrics and questions like where you got your license last time. This was in the 90s so it’s possible it might not be as easy now.
- ghaff 5y ago
  In my state, and I assume most/all(?) others, it's all electronic. When I had to replace a lost license a few years back, it was very easy. Go to a website and pay $25 or whatever. But there's no new photo involved.
  - code_duck 5y ago
    For the most recent state I lived in, IDs are issues for four years. If lost during that time, they give you an identical replacement if in the first 2 years but require a new picture if replaced in the second half.
- adolph 5y ago
  A distant acquaintance did that in the early 90s, only that person asked for a new drivers license. The clerk attempted to offer a duplicate instead of a new license and the nervous license getter refused until the clerk said, "look I'm trying to save you some money, we still take your picture and give you the license today!"

nly 5y ago

Seems like a dumb thing for your friend to do for you when that photo will be part of a permanent database.

Talanes 5y ago
The purpose of that anecdote was to demonstrate that there was no database at that time.

Aaargh20318 5y ago

> There was a time when you could go to the DMV and switch places with your friend right before the photo for the ID was taken. But wouldn't that mean your friend no longer had a valid drivers license ?

code_duck 5y ago
The old license is not effectively invalidated in any way. Almost nobody you presented the license to would know that another one has been issued, besides possibly a police officer. It would be fairly easy to tell them that you got a replacement and then found the old one.
- Aaargh20318 5y ago
  > The old license is not effectively invalidated in any way. Almost nobody you presented the license to would know that another one has been issued That’s strange. Where I live, if you get a new ID you have to turn in your old one. You can keep a passport if you want (some people like to if they have a ot of stamps from their travels) but in that case they punch a couple of big holes through the entire booklet before returning it to you (basically, it removes the chip and some other security measures).
  - code_duck 5y ago
    They do ask you to do that, but what if you lost it?
    - Aaargh20318 5y ago
      If you lost it you have to go to the police and report it lost. Then you need to hand over the police report when you request a new one. Reporting it lost or stolen also invalidates your drivers license meaning you can’t drive while you wait for your new license.
      - code_duck 5y ago
        I see. In what region are you referring to? I have never lived in a state with any sort of concept of rendering your license invalid because you lost a physical license, nor have I been told to file a police report. I looked it up for my state and they said you only must file a police report if you believe your license has been stolen, not lost, and you desire a new number. I’m sure policies differ among states. I picked Michigan at random. Their website merely warns that the old license will be invalidated electronically and cannot be used for border crossing while encouraging use of online replacement services. https://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,4670,7-127-1627_8669_53328---,00.html https://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,4670,7-127-1627_8669_53328---...
        Aaargh20318 5y ago
        > In what region are you referring to? The Netherlands. > rendering your license invalid because you lost a physical license If you lost it, you can't drive anyway. Why would you not invalidate a lost license ? To clarify: the physical license is invalidated, and since you need to have a physical license on you to be allowed to drive, you can not drive until you get a new physical license. If you fraudulently report your license as stolen, it is invalidated and you can no longer drive using that physical license. If you get a new one with someone else's photo on it, that basically means you can no longer drive a car.

code_duck 5y ago

Someone I know did this with his brothers documents without his brother being involved. He took the documents to the DMV and said he lost his license. Pretty much all they had to go on was basic appearance metrics and questions like where you got your license last time. This was in the 90s so it’s possible it might not be as easy now.

ghaff 5y ago
In my state, and I assume most/all(?) others, it's all electronic. When I had to replace a lost license a few years back, it was very easy. Go to a website and pay $25 or whatever. But there's no new photo involved.
- code_duck 5y ago
  For the most recent state I lived in, IDs are issues for four years. If lost during that time, they give you an identical replacement if in the first 2 years but require a new picture if replaced in the second half.
adolph 5y ago
A distant acquaintance did that in the early 90s, only that person asked for a new drivers license. The clerk attempted to offer a duplicate instead of a new license and the nervous license getter refused until the clerk said, "look I'm trying to save you some money, we still take your picture and give you the license today!"