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The claim was easy: no money on bullshit, we got actual problems that do need resources. Our tax systems are open. Go and check it yourself.

tester34 5y ago
If you believe that manipulation and misinformation on the internet is not an actual problem then I don't know what to say It affected shitton of people about covid/vacciness related stuff It's one of the biggest challenges nowadays
- nudpiedo 5y ago
  None of that was the topic here. It is about propaganda and how far left tries to not lose the control of the counterculture, and, it is already gone. Counterculture nowadays does not belong to the far left anymore.
- icare_1er 5y ago
  Iran regime just passed a law "to protect internet users", which pretty much censors everythings, makes VPN use even more difficult, etc. They are pretty much using your own arguments: "misinformation on the internet is an actual problem, let's PROTECT our citizens from it". :)
  - tester34 5y ago
    >They are pretty much using your own arguments: So what? blame the implementation detail and people behind it then It just shows that the argument stands, becaues it's an actual problem and I'd rather do not have to argue with my parents about Bill Gates creating covid to inject 5G chips and no, it's no joke and it's sad.
  - icare_1er 5y ago
    Yes I get it, as always, censorship is good when it's the left, and it's bad when it's Iran and Putin.
the-dude 5y ago
How much tax one pays is largely dependend on one's income.
Arnt 5y ago
Some spending is "spent this or spend nothing". This isn't one of those cases, this is "spend on this now or spend other money later", because if you don't spend money on limiting how far-right extremists recruit young people, then eventually a bomb explodes somewhere. Coping with that bomb isn't voluntary. There are proverbs something along the lines of "a penny of prevention is worth a pound of cure", they didn't become proverbs by lacking truth.
- greatgib 5y ago
  Think deeper... If there was less tax and people would have more money to spend, the "far rights" extremists would have less supporters and followers. If the European institutions and national government would give a better use to the money, like improving citizen everyday life and issues or education, there would also be less "far rights" extremists. And the funniest and worse point, is that a common complaint of some "far right" extremists is especially that European and international institutions are a waste of their money, and providing in exchange just limitations to what national governments can do. So, on that count also, better spending of our tax money would improve the situation more than this bullshit report.
  - Arnt 5y ago
    Would you mind explaining to me why would work? I mean how you can know this would work without studying the issue?
- nudpiedo 5y ago
  These aren’t related facts by any terms. Cataloguing as far right young people criticizing the cultural establishment is just a sinister way to censor independent thought. That aside almost all terrorism belongs to far left extremists, even religious extremist believe they are far left. The extreme left needs an enemy and tries to find evidence somewhere else, they behave like conservative on the 50s did.
  - pengstrom 5y ago
    What? This has no basis in reality. What religious extremists call themselves left? They are normally radical conservatives and eschew progressive "leftist" ideals. The left made up with communism and matured, focusing instead on social justice. The right didn't do the same with nazism. When the white majority feels cornered by progressive ideals, white supremacy grows. We just mourned the 10 year anniversary of the Utøja massacre where a radicalized nationalist killed at over 60 children. Their only crime was being socialists. Several phychologists had to work him until they realized he wasn't crazy. He just believed the far right conspiracies like cultural Marxism, eurabia and white genocide. This is not a game.

tester34 5y ago

If you believe that manipulation and misinformation on the internet is not an actual problem then I don't know what to say It affected shitton of people about covid/vacciness related stuff It's one of the biggest challenges nowadays

nudpiedo 5y ago
None of that was the topic here. It is about propaganda and how far left tries to not lose the control of the counterculture, and, it is already gone. Counterculture nowadays does not belong to the far left anymore.
icare_1er 5y ago
Iran regime just passed a law "to protect internet users", which pretty much censors everythings, makes VPN use even more difficult, etc. They are pretty much using your own arguments: "misinformation on the internet is an actual problem, let's PROTECT our citizens from it". :)
- tester34 5y ago
  >They are pretty much using your own arguments: So what? blame the implementation detail and people behind it then It just shows that the argument stands, becaues it's an actual problem and I'd rather do not have to argue with my parents about Bill Gates creating covid to inject 5G chips and no, it's no joke and it's sad.
- icare_1er 5y ago
  Yes I get it, as always, censorship is good when it's the left, and it's bad when it's Iran and Putin.

the-dude 5y ago

How much tax one pays is largely dependend on one's income.

Arnt 5y ago

Some spending is "spent this or spend nothing". This isn't one of those cases, this is "spend on this now or spend other money later", because if you don't spend money on limiting how far-right extremists recruit young people, then eventually a bomb explodes somewhere. Coping with that bomb isn't voluntary. There are proverbs something along the lines of "a penny of prevention is worth a pound of cure", they didn't become proverbs by lacking truth.

greatgib 5y ago
Think deeper... If there was less tax and people would have more money to spend, the "far rights" extremists would have less supporters and followers. If the European institutions and national government would give a better use to the money, like improving citizen everyday life and issues or education, there would also be less "far rights" extremists. And the funniest and worse point, is that a common complaint of some "far right" extremists is especially that European and international institutions are a waste of their money, and providing in exchange just limitations to what national governments can do. So, on that count also, better spending of our tax money would improve the situation more than this bullshit report.
- Arnt 5y ago
  Would you mind explaining to me why would work? I mean how you can know this would work without studying the issue?
nudpiedo 5y ago
These aren’t related facts by any terms. Cataloguing as far right young people criticizing the cultural establishment is just a sinister way to censor independent thought. That aside almost all terrorism belongs to far left extremists, even religious extremist believe they are far left. The extreme left needs an enemy and tries to find evidence somewhere else, they behave like conservative on the 50s did.
- pengstrom 5y ago
  What? This has no basis in reality. What religious extremists call themselves left? They are normally radical conservatives and eschew progressive "leftist" ideals. The left made up with communism and matured, focusing instead on social justice. The right didn't do the same with nazism. When the white majority feels cornered by progressive ideals, white supremacy grows. We just mourned the 10 year anniversary of the Utøja massacre where a radicalized nationalist killed at over 60 children. Their only crime was being socialists. Several phychologists had to work him until they realized he wasn't crazy. He just believed the far right conspiracies like cultural Marxism, eurabia and white genocide. This is not a game.