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I'm so pissed off that my European tax money is wasted on financing bullshit like that. But be aware, this is maybe the first sign that "humor" will be the nex

• the-dude 5y ago
  How much do you pay a year?
  • nudpiedo 5y ago
    The claim was easy: no money on bullshit, we got actual problems that do need resources. Our tax systems are open. Go and check it yourself.
    • tester34 5y ago
      If you believe that manipulation and misinformation on the internet is not an actual problem then I don't know what to say It affected shitton of people about covid/vacciness related stuff It's one of the biggest challenges nowadays
      • nudpiedo 5y ago
        None of that was the topic here. It is about propaganda and how far left tries to not lose the control of the counterculture, and, it is already gone. Counterculture nowadays does not belong to the far left anymore.
      • icare_1er 5y ago
        Iran regime just passed a law "to protect internet users", which pretty much censors everythings, makes VPN use even more difficult, etc. They are pretty much using your own arguments: "misinformation on the internet is an actual problem, let's PROTECT our citizens from it". :)
        • tester34 5y ago
          >They are pretty much using your own arguments: So what? blame the implementation detail and people behind it then It just shows that the argument stands, becaues it's an actual problem and I'd rather do not have to argue with my parents about Bill Gates creating covid to inject 5G chips and no, it's no joke and it's sad.
        • icare_1er 5y ago
          Yes I get it, as always, censorship is good when it's the left, and it's bad when it's Iran and Putin.
    • the-dude 5y ago
      How much tax one pays is largely dependend on one's income.
    • Arnt 5y ago
      Some spending is "spent this or spend nothing". This isn't one of those cases, this is "spend on this now or spend other money later", because if you don't spend money on limiting how far-right extremists recruit young people, then eventually a bomb explodes somewhere. Coping with that bomb isn't voluntary. There are proverbs something along the lines of "a penny of prevention is worth a pound of cure", they didn't become proverbs by lacking truth.
      • greatgib 5y ago
        Think deeper... If there was less tax and people would have more money to spend, the "far rights" extremists would have less supporters and followers. If the European institutions and national government would give a better use to the money, like improving citizen everyday life and issues or education, there would also be less "far rights" extremists. And the funniest and worse point, is that a common complaint of some "far right" extremists is especially that European and international institutions are a waste of their money, and providing in exchange just limitations to what national governments can do. So, on that count also, better spending of our tax money would improve the situation more than this bullshit report.
        • Arnt 5y ago
          Would you mind explaining to me why would work? I mean how you can know this would work without studying the issue?
      • nudpiedo 5y ago
        These aren’t related facts by any terms. Cataloguing as far right young people criticizing the cultural establishment is just a sinister way to censor independent thought. That aside almost all terrorism belongs to far left extremists, even religious extremist believe they are far left. The extreme left needs an enemy and tries to find evidence somewhere else, they behave like conservative on the 50s did.
        • pengstrom 5y ago
          What? This has no basis in reality. What religious extremists call themselves left? They are normally radical conservatives and eschew progressive "leftist" ideals. The left made up with communism and matured, focusing instead on social justice. The right didn't do the same with nazism. When the white majority feels cornered by progressive ideals, white supremacy grows. We just mourned the 10 year anniversary of the Utøja massacre where a radicalized nationalist killed at over 60 children. Their only crime was being socialists. Several phychologists had to work him until they realized he wasn't crazy. He just believed the far right conspiracies like cultural Marxism, eurabia and white genocide. This is not a game.
  • greatgib 5y ago
    Easy, France for example contribute around 26 BILLIONS euros to European institutions. It is a shitload of money in my opinion. There are around 70 millions inhabitants in France, only around 18% of households pay income tax. But, in fact, only 10% of the households are contributing for around 70% of the income tax.
    • the-dude 5y ago
      Great way to avoid answering the question ( the money which France contributes still is not your money ). And this 26 Billion, is this 'netto' or 'bruto' ?
      • greatgib 5y ago
        "Help yourself" but take care that the contributions have increased a lot in the last year and i don't find a link in English for 2020 or 2021. (in 2019) https://www.statista.com/statistics/316691/eu-budget-contributions-by-country/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/316691/eu-budget-contrib... (in 2017) https://www.statista.com/chart/18794/net-contributors-to-eu-budget/ https://www.statista.com/chart/18794/net-contributors-to-eu-... My estimation is that my personal contribution to Europe should be between 500 € to 2000 € a year. Sure, not all money is wasted, hopefully, but still if you accumulate all bullshit jobs and reports like this one over a year, this is still a shit load of money that you be put in better usage. Note: I don't say that all europe jobs and reports are bullshits, are the opposite, a lot of them are quite good, and most of the time of better usage and quality than european national governments in my opinion.
        • the-dude 5y ago
          So from your 2017 source ( that is what we have easily available ) : France 'contributed' ~ € 7.5 Billon netto to the EU. Which is something totally different than € 26 Billion. And it still isn't your money.
          • greatgib 5y ago
            As I told you, take care, because it raised a lot since 2017. Here is a link in French, but at least you will have an evolution graph with 2021: https://www.ifrap.org/europe-et-international/contribution-de-la-france-lue-737-entre-2017-2027 https://www.ifrap.org/europe-et-international/contribution-d... The other netto of the other link is not "justified", not official documents, but let's suppose it is correct, and that it evolved in proportion, we would be at least, as of today, at 11 Billions NET. That is still quite a number. But you don't stop repeating that it is not my money as a French tax payer, can you explicit what you mean? because so far you just say that "as a fact" and it does not make any sense!
• user-the-name 5y ago
  Tracking far-right extremism and its modern forms is "bullshit"?
• tester34 5y ago
  how's that bullshit? memes have strong power, especially if you can vote them to the front page there has been shitton of them before 2016 election and during Pandemic they were used for both - good and bad. From looking cost efficency perspective memes are insanely good. edit Trump -> 2016
  • icare_1er 5y ago
    Basic history classes should have made it clear that trying to censor sarcasm not only doesn't work, but is counter-productive. All regimes have tried various things to prevent them, but they just gave their opponents even more topics to make fun of. That dates back to drawings mocking the king being circulated in underground newspapers, to using "Non-Playable-Characters" online on Twitter.
    • user-the-name 5y ago
      Literally nobody is trying to, or has in any way suggested, "censoring sarcasm". This is a document that describes, accurately, how the far right uses humour. That is a useful thing to document and be aware of when trying to combat radicalisation.
      • greatgib 5y ago
        This is the first step: first you put in every policy maker head the idea that there is a problem and that they need to do something about it, then they find "solutions"... Think about how "internet" and "social networks" become "evil" in policy maker heads. Now, everything that is happening is the fault of internet. So, internet has to be censored.
        • user-the-name 5y ago
          https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope
    • Freak_NL 5y ago
• crispyambulance 5y ago
  It's responsible research intended to give police, politicians, and citizens a clue about the new communication techniques of the hard-right. > Thinking of far-right extremism, we might associate this with backward-looking, stiff and formal zealots who act on the fringes of the political spectrum. Yet, the skinhead image has long been overcome and, in fact, also more recent phenomena like the Identitarians have lost traction throughout Europe. As farright extremists strategically merge with online cultures, their approach changes drastically. In fact, they have learned the lesson that if — in our digitalised societies — a movement wants to be successful, it needs to be entertaining and participatory. In fact, a shared sense of humour has become an effective tool in terms of immersing individuals into extremist ideologies and, as a consequence, contributed to some of the worst acts of violence in the 21st century. Having people become aware of these emerging memes BEFORE a flash mob of pepe-basement-dwellers shows up in their city is a good idea.
  • icare_1er 5y ago
    Talking about which, did those "conspiracy theories" (the alt-right killing a cop using fire-extinguisher in the capitol, or Trump being a KGB agent), falls in the category of "misinformation", or is the left somehow excluded from that list ?
    • nbcfhnb 5y ago
      Why is this downvoted? Both of the theories this post references were taken up by mainstream sources and both were totally fabrications. The claim about Brian Sicknick was vcompletely fabricated. If you downvoters are unaware, the story about someone dying on Jan 6th via fire extinguisher was a complete lie; the guy actually died of a stroke at home the next day for completely unrelated reasons and was unharmed at the riot. And people like Maddow claimed for months if not years that Trump was a Russian agent, and we now know for a fact that this was never the case and the rumors were started by the FBI under direction of Obama (this was at the same time the Obama administration declined to charge Clinton, mind you) based on intel they knew was false, and because of the investigation launched based on justification from the same known-false evidence God I'm so tired of explaining this, but seriously, the biggest conspiracy theories of the last decade were promulgated on the pages of "trustworthy" traditional media, and all you have to do is look into the news stories after they leave the headlines to find out how things turned out when time passed and reality finally came to light
• heckerhut 5y ago
  This is super valuable for the audience it addresses. It’s well researched and easily understandable. This is money well spent. I wished everything that comes out of Europe would be so current.