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>while nothing will be done about huge industries But Johnny Average is what all those huge industries are ultimately there for. It all leads to production of

>while nothing will be done about huge industries But Johnny Average is what all those huge industries are ultimately there for. It all leads to production of goods for the people. Also, straws, plastic bags etc are actually a different issue. Those are about plastic pollution and have little to do with climate change. Also also, plastic pollution is not as big of an apparent problem in the West. Who knows with microplastic contamination though. We might be doing lead pipes 2.0.

tsimionescu 5y ago
> But Johnny Average is what all those huge industries are ultimately there for. It all leads to production of goods for the people. A lot of consumer behavior today is actually dictated by marketing, both through advertising (one of the largest industries in the world, whose purpose is entirely to distort rational consumption) or through other means (making sure you can sell things every year, by forcefully decommissioning older products, subscription models, cheap disposable parts). The average consumer can't afford to consume less, as almost everything is priced in such a way that they are forced to choose between huge investments in a durable object or continuous consumption of disposable crap - if the option of durable objects even exists. > Also, straws, plastic bags etc are actually a different issue. Those are about plastic pollution and have little to do with climate change. Sure, but the measures taken have been entirely irrelevant - causing slight problems for consumers, with 0 impact on the problem. Straws in particular were a massive PR stunt at a staggering scale.
ajsnigrutin 5y ago
Nah, johnny will now buy more expensive, bamboo plastic straws, in plastic packaging, in a plastic box, with multiple boxes in a plastic covered cardboard box, and all of that wrapped in plastic foil. He will also buy a reusable bag, made from much more plastic than single-use ones, and per gram of plastic, wont last as long. Johnny will also be told not to drive his car... by a guy, who went to the interview in his private jet. Media will also praise a kid, who uses a sailing-yacht to travel, because she doesn't want to fly (due to carbon emissions), and in turn, she needs a whole team to operate the boat, which will then have to fly back home with a plane. We also pay a lot of money for recycling our goods, to be then just burned (and just stuff like copper scrapped) in 3rd world countries.

tsimionescu 5y ago

> But Johnny Average is what all those huge industries are ultimately there for. It all leads to production of goods for the people. A lot of consumer behavior today is actually dictated by marketing, both through advertising (one of the largest industries in the world, whose purpose is entirely to distort rational consumption) or through other means (making sure you can sell things every year, by forcefully decommissioning older products, subscription models, cheap disposable parts). The average consumer can't afford to consume less, as almost everything is priced in such a way that they are forced to choose between huge investments in a durable object or continuous consumption of disposable crap - if the option of durable objects even exists. > Also, straws, plastic bags etc are actually a different issue. Those are about plastic pollution and have little to do with climate change. Sure, but the measures taken have been entirely irrelevant - causing slight problems for consumers, with 0 impact on the problem. Straws in particular were a massive PR stunt at a staggering scale.

ajsnigrutin 5y ago

Nah, johnny will now buy more expensive, bamboo plastic straws, in plastic packaging, in a plastic box, with multiple boxes in a plastic covered cardboard box, and all of that wrapped in plastic foil. He will also buy a reusable bag, made from much more plastic than single-use ones, and per gram of plastic, wont last as long. Johnny will also be told not to drive his car... by a guy, who went to the interview in his private jet. Media will also praise a kid, who uses a sailing-yacht to travel, because she doesn't want to fly (due to carbon emissions), and in turn, she needs a whole team to operate the boat, which will then have to fly back home with a plane. We also pay a lot of money for recycling our goods, to be then just burned (and just stuff like copper scrapped) in 3rd world countries.