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Public link to paper: https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/advance-article/doi/10.1093/biosci/biab079/6325731 https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/advance-article

Public link to paper: https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/advance-article/doi/10.1093/biosci/biab079/6325731 https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/advance-article/doi/10.1... But how do we make politicians aware of the seriousness?

edoceo 5y ago
We have to get new ones, the current group is way out of touch. Old dogs, new tricks and all that.
Broken_Hippo 5y ago
Become a politician or support your friends with such desires.
ben_w 5y ago
To play devil’s advocate, perhaps they already know it’s serious but prioritise other things because on political timescales even “a decade” is the opposite of urgent.
bambax 5y ago
"politicians"? What about all of us? Climate change deniers are evil and crazy people, but even the rest of us, who admit it's real, still have to change our behaviors.
rapnie 5y ago
> But how do we make politicians aware of the seriousness? Don't you think they ought to be very much aware by now? And probably they are, but are either unwilling or unable to affect true change. Unwilling because it is insufficiently in their own interest, and unable because those unwilling and their friends wield too much power. Making things move very, very slowly, at a glacial pace.
- clifdweller 5y ago
  why jump to the main course when can run through decades of elections getting campaign funding arguing each side. If any problem is solved then they would have to re-canvas their population to see what other polarizing topic to use
berikv 5y ago
Thanks for the question (which should be on the top, instead of the climate change deniers). Politicians are chosen by the citizens. So the question could be rephrased to “how do we make a big portion of the world aware of the seriousness?”. A web search for “how to convince your opponent” gives some great suggestions: ———————————————————— How to Convince Someone Ask them to share their thoughts. Match their type of reasoning -- if they're being emotional, appeal to their emotions; if they're relying on logic, be logical. Get them to lower their guard with a genuine compliment. Pose a counter-argument (without making them defensive). ———————————————————— This is quite counter intuitive: I would think that if you would tell the data and scientific method used to obtain the data you would be able to convince anyone, but not so. Instead you have to open the discussion and have both sides on the table, which leads to ridiculous situations eg: a TV show gives a scientist who builds upon many years of research equal time to speak on some matter as a fancy vlogger with a quirky opinion. The more noise you make the more you will be noticed. If people aren’t confronted with their actions, they have little chance to change their opinion and behaviour. It is important to be respectful while also making clear that change is needed, by each and everyone.
- forcry 5y ago
  > “how do we make a big portion of the world aware of the seriousness?” A big portion of the world is pretty convinced that scientific community is full of shit. It might be the case that what they are saying might be true. But it is the boy that cried wolf at this point. But unlike the story, both the boy and the farmers could end up paying the price here. Sad.
  - Delk 5y ago
    When has the scientific community really been crying wolf on environmental matters, on a large scale? It can certainly feel like it has, with warnings about climate change and other ecological issues getting near-constant and having more and more visibility over the last couple of decades. But that's not really the scientific community calling wolf unless they were wrong. That's just people getting jaded. That doesn't mean the warnings have been wrong, it just means things have been going on for a long time with no solution.
ttonkytonk 5y ago
Mass (peaceful) civil disobedience?

edoceo 5y ago

We have to get new ones, the current group is way out of touch. Old dogs, new tricks and all that.

Broken_Hippo 5y ago

Become a politician or support your friends with such desires.

ben_w 5y ago

To play devil’s advocate, perhaps they already know it’s serious but prioritise other things because on political timescales even “a decade” is the opposite of urgent.

bambax 5y ago

"politicians"? What about all of us? Climate change deniers are evil and crazy people, but even the rest of us, who admit it's real, still have to change our behaviors.

rapnie 5y ago

> But how do we make politicians aware of the seriousness? Don't you think they ought to be very much aware by now? And probably they are, but are either unwilling or unable to affect true change. Unwilling because it is insufficiently in their own interest, and unable because those unwilling and their friends wield too much power. Making things move very, very slowly, at a glacial pace.

clifdweller 5y ago
why jump to the main course when can run through decades of elections getting campaign funding arguing each side. If any problem is solved then they would have to re-canvas their population to see what other polarizing topic to use

berikv 5y ago

Thanks for the question (which should be on the top, instead of the climate change deniers). Politicians are chosen by the citizens. So the question could be rephrased to “how do we make a big portion of the world aware of the seriousness?”. A web search for “how to convince your opponent” gives some great suggestions: ———————————————————— How to Convince Someone Ask them to share their thoughts. Match their type of reasoning -- if they're being emotional, appeal to their emotions; if they're relying on logic, be logical. Get them to lower their guard with a genuine compliment. Pose a counter-argument (without making them defensive). ———————————————————— This is quite counter intuitive: I would think that if you would tell the data and scientific method used to obtain the data you would be able to convince anyone, but not so. Instead you have to open the discussion and have both sides on the table, which leads to ridiculous situations eg: a TV show gives a scientist who builds upon many years of research equal time to speak on some matter as a fancy vlogger with a quirky opinion. The more noise you make the more you will be noticed. If people aren’t confronted with their actions, they have little chance to change their opinion and behaviour. It is important to be respectful while also making clear that change is needed, by each and everyone.

forcry 5y ago
> “how do we make a big portion of the world aware of the seriousness?” A big portion of the world is pretty convinced that scientific community is full of shit. It might be the case that what they are saying might be true. But it is the boy that cried wolf at this point. But unlike the story, both the boy and the farmers could end up paying the price here. Sad.
- Delk 5y ago
  When has the scientific community really been crying wolf on environmental matters, on a large scale? It can certainly feel like it has, with warnings about climate change and other ecological issues getting near-constant and having more and more visibility over the last couple of decades. But that's not really the scientific community calling wolf unless they were wrong. That's just people getting jaded. That doesn't mean the warnings have been wrong, it just means things have been going on for a long time with no solution.

ttonkytonk 5y ago

Mass (peaceful) civil disobedience?