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Cloudflare is not a public institution. It troubles me that they get to define, draw, and then maintain that line. However, I do agree - privacy unveiling like
by trangus_1985 5y ago
Cloudflare is not a public institution. It troubles me that they get to define, draw, and then maintain that line.
However, I do agree - privacy unveiling like that should require a judge's order.
- studentrob 5y agoYes, it is akin to revealing the IP of a user on a social media site.
- stavros 5y agoBut they don't, that's explicitly their stance. There is no line. They host everyone equally. To do the opposite would require drawing a line.
- account42 5y ago> They host everyone equally. Everyone except those that are too right wing.
- stavros 5y agoAre you referring to the one incident where they stopped hosting a racist hate site and then vowed to never take sides again?
- nextlevelwizard 5y ago"He has never murdered anyone" "Are you referring to the one incident where he shot a racist hater and then vowed to never murder again?" All I'm saying is that we won't know until they come under pressure again
- stavros 5y ago> All I'm saying is that we won't know until they come under pressure again That's also true of people who haven't murdered anyone yet, though. Whom do you trust more? The person who did something and vowed to never do it again, or the person who didn't vow anything? I tend to prefer the former.
- wccrawford 5y agoWhen it comes to murdering someone, I'm going to prefer the person who has never murdered anyone yet. When it comes to service providers, I would tend towards your direction. They did a thing that had conflicting ethics on each side, weighed the outcome and their ethics, and then made a hard decision for the future. What they did could be reversed, too, and didn't cause much permanent damage. Murdering someone is very permanent and should take a lot more initial consideration.
- lupire 5y agothis metaphor is absurd. the actual murderers here are the contributors to the banned sites, nor cloudflare, and there were a lot more than 1 murders.
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- LudwigNagasena 5y agoWell, that one incident shows that they don’t host everyone equally. A very simple and obvious conclusion.
- account42 5y agoYes. Also to the incident where they stopped hosting 8chan after they vowed to never take sides again. You can agree with Cloudlare not providing services to those sites as much as you want, but you cannot pretend that Cloudflare hosts everyone equally. They cannot use that as an excuse to not deal with spammers.
- yosamino 5y agoThat is not true. They do have a line specified here https://www.cloudflare.com/abuse/ https://www.cloudflare.com/abuse/ It's just that the procedure is so useless that it might as well not exist.
- fauigerzigerk 5y agoIANAL, but I don't see a Cloudflare specified line anywhere on this page. I think this is just the bare minimum they are legally required to do.
- trangus_1985 5y ago> There is no line You are missing the point of the complaint, which is that it's a private decision to hold that policy. Maybe it was a bad idea to use the word "line", but the intent still stands unadressed.