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That is such a fertile ground for anti-vaxxers. Number one argument I hear is “If vaccines are so safe, why does nobody take responsibility for the side-effects

by f6v 5y ago

That is such a fertile ground for anti-vaxxers. Number one argument I hear is “If vaccines are so safe, why does nobody take responsibility for the side-effects?”. And to some extent, they’re right, you know. I bet pharma execs are walking away with six-seven figure bonuses no matter what.

deadalus 5y ago
Pfizer now sees $33.5 billion in 2021 vaccine sales, up from $26 billion, and says a third dose of its #COVID19 shot "strongly" boosts protection against the Delta variant.
dataflow 5y ago
> Number one argument I hear is “If vaccines are so safe, why does nobody take responsibility for the side-effects?”. And to some extent, they’re right, you know. Aren't people saying the government does compensate people who experience side effects? https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/index.html https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/index.html
- mikedilger 5y ago
  I clicked on "Covered Vaccines". The COVID-19 vaccines aren't on the list.
  - dataflow 5y ago
    Was the comment about COVID-19 vaccines specifically or about vaccines in general? I thought the latter.
  - refurb 5y ago
    It's under a separate program for products used during pandemics (versus just routine vaccines). https://www.hrsa.gov/cicp https://www.hrsa.gov/cicp
- f6v 5y ago
  The government might compensate, but people don’t trust a vaccine if the manufacturer isn’t willing to accept the responsibility.
Nursie 5y ago
> “If vaccines are so safe, why does nobody take responsibility for the side-effects?” Well in the case of the current one, it's because we really, really want them and the governments of the countries buying them are happy to waive liability in this case to combat a pandemic that's killed about 4 million people round the world. Pharma companies that have managed to create something so useful in such a short time and at such a huge scale pretty much deserve to do well. I don't begrudge them a bit of a bonus off the back of this.
- f6v 5y ago
  Pharma does deserve to do well in case they accept responsibility. But if they say “hey, if we screw up you’re paying for it”, that’s just having all the good stuff without any risk.
  - xboxnolifes 5y ago
    There was still the risk of doing the research without having an outcome, or an issue in manufacturing causing them to not meet demand.
    - f6v 5y ago
      Wasn’t Moderna funded by the government? And they also got government contracts before they had a final product.
  - Nursie 5y ago
    But in this case we're begging them to have it early. We're giving them a pass because we need what they've developed so badly. The risk was development. Look at all the pharma companies that didn't make it to market.

by f6v 5y ago

deadalus 5y ago

Pfizer now sees $33.5 billion in 2021 vaccine sales, up from $26 billion, and says a third dose of its #COVID19 shot "strongly" boosts protection against the Delta variant.

dataflow 5y ago

> Number one argument I hear is “If vaccines are so safe, why does nobody take responsibility for the side-effects?”. And to some extent, they’re right, you know. Aren't people saying the government does compensate people who experience side effects? https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/index.html https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/index.html

mikedilger 5y ago
I clicked on "Covered Vaccines". The COVID-19 vaccines aren't on the list.
- dataflow 5y ago
  Was the comment about COVID-19 vaccines specifically or about vaccines in general? I thought the latter.
- refurb 5y ago
  It's under a separate program for products used during pandemics (versus just routine vaccines). https://www.hrsa.gov/cicp https://www.hrsa.gov/cicp
f6v 5y ago
The government might compensate, but people don’t trust a vaccine if the manufacturer isn’t willing to accept the responsibility.

Nursie 5y ago

> “If vaccines are so safe, why does nobody take responsibility for the side-effects?” Well in the case of the current one, it's because we really, really want them and the governments of the countries buying them are happy to waive liability in this case to combat a pandemic that's killed about 4 million people round the world. Pharma companies that have managed to create something so useful in such a short time and at such a huge scale pretty much deserve to do well. I don't begrudge them a bit of a bonus off the back of this.

f6v 5y ago
Pharma does deserve to do well in case they accept responsibility. But if they say “hey, if we screw up you’re paying for it”, that’s just having all the good stuff without any risk.
- xboxnolifes 5y ago
  There was still the risk of doing the research without having an outcome, or an issue in manufacturing causing them to not meet demand.
  - f6v 5y ago
    Wasn’t Moderna funded by the government? And they also got government contracts before they had a final product.
- Nursie 5y ago
  But in this case we're begging them to have it early. We're giving them a pass because we need what they've developed so badly. The risk was development. Look at all the pharma companies that didn't make it to market.