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Sounds a lot like the obesity epidemic to me. One that kills 1,794 people in the United States DAILY, year… over… fucking… year. Also completely preventable. A

by n_io 5y ago

Sounds a lot like the obesity epidemic to me. One that kills 1,794 people in the United States DAILY, year… over… fucking… year. Also completely preventable. And before you call BS here’s the data: https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/facts.htm https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/facts.htm

tpm 5y ago
Prevention of obesity is a bit harder than getting vaccinated. Also the data you link to is about heart disease. Many people will have some sort of heart disease as they age even without being obese. The #1 risk factor of heart disease is age. Age is not preventable.
- jeofken 5y ago
  There are many ways you can force your population or employees to be less fat. Google could ban fatties from coming into the office incentivising fat loss, you could force fat people to self isolate or not allow them to travel, also to incentivise healthy loving and make it shameful to contribute to the obesity epidemic. This is all ridiculous, but the moral logic would be similar. The same is true for driving and weapons, which are dangerous.
  - tpm 5y ago
    The moral logic would not be similar at all, because obesity is neither infectious nor acutely deadly. Sure it probably will kill you, but it will kill you indirectly and it will take deveral decades to do that. But it will not kill your immunocompromised coworker and his frail parents.
    - jeofken 5y ago
      It it kills as many per year, but technically is not infectious, it would still deserve the same moral weight, so the similie holds. There are many ways you can use force and threats to make people live healthier, if you don’t consider them the owners of their bodies that is
      - tpm 5y ago
        But Google is not trying to make people live healthier, it doesn't care about that. Google is trying to prevent hazardous working conditions for their employees. All vaccination mandates are about that: they don't care about the vaccinated or unvaccinated person, they care about the risk that person presents for its environment. In that sense the obesity analogy completely fails.
    - meiraleal 5y ago
      Obesity is culturally infectious. If you have fat friends/family/SO you will get fatter in most cases (more than 1%). It is also acutely deadly as most of thr top10 death causes are directly related to diet and lifestyle. Important to note that obesity is excess of fat related to general bodyweight, not only total weight.
nicolashahn 5y ago
Obesity isn't contagious

by n_io 5y ago

tpm 5y ago

Prevention of obesity is a bit harder than getting vaccinated. Also the data you link to is about heart disease. Many people will have some sort of heart disease as they age even without being obese. The #1 risk factor of heart disease is age. Age is not preventable.

jeofken 5y ago
There are many ways you can force your population or employees to be less fat. Google could ban fatties from coming into the office incentivising fat loss, you could force fat people to self isolate or not allow them to travel, also to incentivise healthy loving and make it shameful to contribute to the obesity epidemic. This is all ridiculous, but the moral logic would be similar. The same is true for driving and weapons, which are dangerous.
- tpm 5y ago
  The moral logic would not be similar at all, because obesity is neither infectious nor acutely deadly. Sure it probably will kill you, but it will kill you indirectly and it will take deveral decades to do that. But it will not kill your immunocompromised coworker and his frail parents.
  - jeofken 5y ago
    It it kills as many per year, but technically is not infectious, it would still deserve the same moral weight, so the similie holds. There are many ways you can use force and threats to make people live healthier, if you don’t consider them the owners of their bodies that is
    - tpm 5y ago
      But Google is not trying to make people live healthier, it doesn't care about that. Google is trying to prevent hazardous working conditions for their employees. All vaccination mandates are about that: they don't care about the vaccinated or unvaccinated person, they care about the risk that person presents for its environment. In that sense the obesity analogy completely fails.
  - meiraleal 5y ago
    Obesity is culturally infectious. If you have fat friends/family/SO you will get fatter in most cases (more than 1%). It is also acutely deadly as most of thr top10 death causes are directly related to diet and lifestyle. Important to note that obesity is excess of fat related to general bodyweight, not only total weight.

nicolashahn 5y ago

Obesity isn't contagious