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I hate dealing with this and now refuse to use Google now when I saw patterns in search results while I was researching common things (like housing) in Norwegia

I hate dealing with this and now refuse to use Google now when I saw patterns in search results while I was researching common things (like housing) in Norwegian, here in Norway. I rarely use Google these days, but I thought for a second that Google might be better with search results than DDG in Norwegian, but this stuff is aggravating. This is one of those where they screw around with history that you just have to start fresh again on whatever you were doing instead of going back. edit: one other thing I have seen, but it doesn't mean it is always spam. All The Words In A Title Are Capitalized - it's something to pay attention to whether it is spam or not. Conventionally, titles are usually not like that in Norwegian.

bigpeopleareold 5y ago
Just want to add to my comment also that it is not limited to havfruen4220.dk, but clarifies a general pattern. I tried a couple of search terms like 'mattilbud rema 1000' and found more .dk domains on the second page (nem-varmepumper.dk, humanrebels.dk) - two things that have nothing to do with food.
eitland 5y ago
> edit: one other thing I have seen, but it doesn't mean it is always spam. All The Words In A Title Are Capitalized - it's something to pay attention to whether it is spam or not. Conventionally, titles are usually not like that in Norwegian. Another big one is that Norwegians like Germans write words together, just one example from one of the stupid ads: "Spesial Reportasje" is a dead giveaway not only because of the capitalization.) (Oh well, sadly because of pressure from Words incompetent spell checker over years and lenient teachers this is getting worse. I fear we are seing compound damage here as kids that got away with this are now becoming teachers...)
- eru 5y ago
  In German there was actually quite a lot of historic development about whether to write words together or separate or with hyphens. The current state of formal German will surely not be the end of history. See https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leerzeichen_in_Komposita#Geschichte https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leerzeichen_in_Komposita#Gesch... (Might need Google Translate, if you don't speak German.)
  - rvba 5y ago
    For someone learning German as a foreign language separating the words would really help. Even if it leads to things like "Trink Wasser fur Hunde" (as mentioned in the Wikipedia article). Hyphens or spaces are still better than those long words...
    - eru 5y ago
      Yes, I can see that. Pervasive hyphens would resolve most of the ambiguity and make it easier to learn. (But they also look kind of ugly.) Just be glad you ain't learning Turkish or Finnish, though.
      - CRConrad 5y ago
        I find the difficulty of learning Finnish is being consistently exaggerated on the Internet. Source: Learned it as an adult myself.
        qkls 5y ago
        What languages did you speak before learning Finnish and what level are you currently at?
        CRConrad 5y ago
        > What languages did you speak before learning Finnish In order of skill, or chronological? C: German, Swedish, English, and French. S: Swedish, English, German, and French. > and what level are you currently at? "Level"... Lived and worked here 26 years (longer than in any other country), usually speak only Finnish with colleagues. (Exception: my previous job, 2014-18, at an unusually international company; quite a lot of English there.) What number is that, on whatever scale you were thinking of? [EDIT:] IOW, it's gotten to the point where I fear my actual native language is only my fourth-best any more, Finnish having pushed it off the podium. [/EDIT] Anyway, my point was: I may have improved a bit since, but was probably quite close to my current "level" after two or three years. It really isn't all that humongously difficult as it's made out to be. The logic of a multi-inflected agglutinative language may feel unusual at first, but once one gets used to it, it's just that: logical. The orthography and especially the pronunciation of Finnish is the most straightforward of all the languages I've dabbled in (smatterings of perhaps half a dozen more besides the ones I speak). And I think, above all, it has the fewest cases of "this is the rule, but the exceptions are this, that, and the other", where you just have to learn by rote that "this word works that way, but that word works this way", of any language I've come across. Learn the rules and you know it; no exceptions to learn.
- bigpeopleareold 5y ago
  This reminds me of the facebook group: Bilder i kampen mot særskrivingfeil: https://www.facebook.com/ettord https://www.facebook.com/ettord :D (Something like: Pictures in the struggle against mistakes when using spaces between words)
  - eitland 5y ago
    There's also the Norwegian "Astronomer mot orddeling" ("Astronomers against word splitting") that is very open to non-Astronomers as well.

bigpeopleareold 5y ago

Just want to add to my comment also that it is not limited to havfruen4220.dk, but clarifies a general pattern. I tried a couple of search terms like 'mattilbud rema 1000' and found more .dk domains on the second page (nem-varmepumper.dk, humanrebels.dk) - two things that have nothing to do with food.

eitland 5y ago

> edit: one other thing I have seen, but it doesn't mean it is always spam. All The Words In A Title Are Capitalized - it's something to pay attention to whether it is spam or not. Conventionally, titles are usually not like that in Norwegian. Another big one is that Norwegians like Germans write words together, just one example from one of the stupid ads: "Spesial Reportasje" is a dead giveaway not only because of the capitalization.) (Oh well, sadly because of pressure from Words incompetent spell checker over years and lenient teachers this is getting worse. I fear we are seing compound damage here as kids that got away with this are now becoming teachers...)

eru 5y ago
In German there was actually quite a lot of historic development about whether to write words together or separate or with hyphens. The current state of formal German will surely not be the end of history. See https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leerzeichen_in_Komposita#Geschichte https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leerzeichen_in_Komposita#Gesch... (Might need Google Translate, if you don't speak German.)
- rvba 5y ago
  For someone learning German as a foreign language separating the words would really help. Even if it leads to things like "Trink Wasser fur Hunde" (as mentioned in the Wikipedia article). Hyphens or spaces are still better than those long words...
  - eru 5y ago
    Yes, I can see that. Pervasive hyphens would resolve most of the ambiguity and make it easier to learn. (But they also look kind of ugly.) Just be glad you ain't learning Turkish or Finnish, though.
    - CRConrad 5y ago
      I find the difficulty of learning Finnish is being consistently exaggerated on the Internet. Source: Learned it as an adult myself.
      - qkls 5y ago
        What languages did you speak before learning Finnish and what level are you currently at?
        CRConrad 5y ago
        > What languages did you speak before learning Finnish In order of skill, or chronological? C: German, Swedish, English, and French. S: Swedish, English, German, and French. > and what level are you currently at? "Level"... Lived and worked here 26 years (longer than in any other country), usually speak only Finnish with colleagues. (Exception: my previous job, 2014-18, at an unusually international company; quite a lot of English there.) What number is that, on whatever scale you were thinking of? [EDIT:] IOW, it's gotten to the point where I fear my actual native language is only my fourth-best any more, Finnish having pushed it off the podium. [/EDIT] Anyway, my point was: I may have improved a bit since, but was probably quite close to my current "level" after two or three years. It really isn't all that humongously difficult as it's made out to be. The logic of a multi-inflected agglutinative language may feel unusual at first, but once one gets used to it, it's just that: logical. The orthography and especially the pronunciation of Finnish is the most straightforward of all the languages I've dabbled in (smatterings of perhaps half a dozen more besides the ones I speak). And I think, above all, it has the fewest cases of "this is the rule, but the exceptions are this, that, and the other", where you just have to learn by rote that "this word works that way, but that word works this way", of any language I've come across. Learn the rules and you know it; no exceptions to learn.
bigpeopleareold 5y ago
This reminds me of the facebook group: Bilder i kampen mot særskrivingfeil: https://www.facebook.com/ettord https://www.facebook.com/ettord :D (Something like: Pictures in the struggle against mistakes when using spaces between words)
- eitland 5y ago
  There's also the Norwegian "Astronomer mot orddeling" ("Astronomers against word splitting") that is very open to non-Astronomers as well.