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Sure, the market will decide.

foepys 5y ago
In Germany the market decided already. After years of propaganda by consulting firms how India will develop all software for pennies soon, companies in Germany are abandoning near and farshoring to eastern EU countries and India en masse because it caused more problems than it solved. VW for example ended all software contracting and now does software development themselves. So I'm not worried.
- thecleaner 5y ago
  I am with you on your stance on outsourcing. But we decouple that narrative from various countries. Some of the software produced in Germany is absolute crap and I've seen software made locally in India be a lot better in quality. For eastern european countries I onow for fact that the developers there dont compromise on salary esp the educated ones. Just because a country isnt as rich doesnt mean that they are worse in every aspect. By that logic Saudi Arabia or UAE would be a power house.
  - bottled_poe 5y ago
    I absolutely agree with this. Sure, there are a lot of bad developers in India, but guess what? There are also bad developers everywhere else on this planet. People forget that the scale of the pool of developers over there is huge and they overlook the exceptional talent, which while a small fraction of the whole market is still an enormous number of resources.
  - foepys 5y ago
    Just to be clear: I never made a statement about quality of software. It's mostly because of timezones, cultural differences, and language. I specifically mentioned India because more than one consulting firm told me that India would be the future and software developers would not be needed in Germany anymore, only project managers.
- bottled_poe 5y ago
  I guess that's case closed then!
  - foepys 5y ago
    No need for snark. All evidence points away from your point. Why should companies like Apple, Amazon, Google want their employees back in the office if they could get remote work for cheap? VW made a multi-billion investment against off-shoring and SV companies pay hundreds of thousands for webdevs that completed six week bootcamps, just for them to be in SV.

In Germany the market decided already. After years of propaganda by consulting firms how India will develop all software for pennies soon, companies in Germany are abandoning near and farshoring to eastern EU countries and India en masse because it caused more problems than it solved. VW for example ended all software contracting and now does software development themselves. So I'm not worried.

thecleaner 5y ago
I am with you on your stance on outsourcing. But we decouple that narrative from various countries. Some of the software produced in Germany is absolute crap and I've seen software made locally in India be a lot better in quality. For eastern european countries I onow for fact that the developers there dont compromise on salary esp the educated ones. Just because a country isnt as rich doesnt mean that they are worse in every aspect. By that logic Saudi Arabia or UAE would be a power house.
- bottled_poe 5y ago
  I absolutely agree with this. Sure, there are a lot of bad developers in India, but guess what? There are also bad developers everywhere else on this planet. People forget that the scale of the pool of developers over there is huge and they overlook the exceptional talent, which while a small fraction of the whole market is still an enormous number of resources.
- foepys 5y ago
  Just to be clear: I never made a statement about quality of software. It's mostly because of timezones, cultural differences, and language. I specifically mentioned India because more than one consulting firm told me that India would be the future and software developers would not be needed in Germany anymore, only project managers.
bottled_poe 5y ago
I guess that's case closed then!
- foepys 5y ago
  No need for snark. All evidence points away from your point. Why should companies like Apple, Amazon, Google want their employees back in the office if they could get remote work for cheap? VW made a multi-billion investment against off-shoring and SV companies pay hundreds of thousands for webdevs that completed six week bootcamps, just for them to be in SV.