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Today the entire state of New York had ZERO covid related deaths. Yet this week we saw NYC and State employees and now major private corporations mandate the va

Today the entire state of New York had ZERO covid related deaths. Yet this week we saw NYC and State employees and now major private corporations mandate the vaccine. For the record I will never disclosure my health status so don’t assume one way or another.

rualca 5y ago
> Today the entire state of New York had ZERO covid related deaths. Yet this week we saw NYC and State employees and now major private corporations mandate the vaccine. It seems NYC has been registering a daily average of new 700 confirmed cases of covid, which is growing fast. This is a lower limit of the true rate of transmission as they reflect confirmed cases through molecular tests. https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page In this page, if you check the graph, you'll notice that NYC is registering a new wave of covid infections that is as the highest level in about two months. Even though covid infections in NYC are spiking, death rates are not. This is expectedly the result of the vaccination campaign. No wonder they are mandating the vaccine. That's the only way to prevent another death wave.
- josh_today 5y ago
  > Even though covid infections in NYC are spiking, death rates are not. This is expectedly the result of the vaccination campaign. Source?
  - rualca 5y ago
    Source for which part? The numbers of NYC's infections and death rates, or that practically all covid-related deaths right now happen in patients who are not vaccinated?
jwilber 5y ago
Deaths lag so the point is irrelevant. You could just as easily argue it points in favor of vaccines.
- josh_today 5y ago
  The “wait 2 weeks” argument did not work for Florida when they took the lead, nor Texas when they had the first full capacity sporting event, and not India when they were on the “brink of collapse”. Delta is confirmed to be more contagious and less deadly. In a few weeks the numbers will be low regardless of what measures are taken. But the forced vaccination of federal, municipal, and private employees will be given credit. I am not against the vaccine. I am however against governments determining what freedoms their citizens are allowed to have based on what medicines they chose to take. We’ve all seen the disaster with our personal privacy across social media and the internet as a whole. Health is where the line gets drawn.
  - joshuamorton 5y ago
    > Delta is confirmed to be more contagious and less deadly. Sort of, delta is confirmed to be less contagious and less deadly among a (significantly) vaccinated population. It is probably more contagious than the initial variant among an unvaccinated population, yes. But whether or not its more or less deadly, or whether vaccines + improved treatments have reduced the severity/survivability isn't clear. So delta is less deadly in practice at a population level, but it might be more deadly in only the unvaccinated population, or the same, or less. We don't really know.
    - josh_today 5y ago
      Agreed and it’s the “we don’t really know” but we’re forcing the vaccine on everyone that’s the problem. What we do know is that vaccinated can still catch and spread covid. The stats of breakthrough cases are skewed due to the CDCs methodology of tracking covid infections among the vaccinated. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/bre... There have been cases of covid infections among enclosed vaccinated groups https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/27/fully-vaccinated-alaska-cruise-passenger-tests-positive-for-covid.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/27/fully-vaccinated-alaska-crui... https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31889367/indianapolis-colts-coach-frank-reich-tests-positive-covid-19-being-vaccinated https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31889367/indianapolis-co... https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57830617 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57830617
karmasimida 5y ago
And, what is your point? So you are saying would come to the workplace, knowingly not vaccinated, and feeling no problem at all?
- deleted 5y ago
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- josh_today 5y ago
  If that’s your choice. And if you want to get vaccinated, keep up with boosters, and wear a mask in the workplace that can be your choice as well.
  - weeks 5y ago
    Do I have a choice not to work with you?
    - josh_today 5y ago
      Yes you can choose to work from home. You can choose to get vaccinated. You can choose to wear a mask.
random314 5y ago
> For the record I will never disclosure my health status so don’t assume one way or another. But it is kinda easy to guess from your post.
- josh_today 5y ago
  That’s your assumption. Someone can be in favor of personal health privacy, against big government, and still be pro medicine. Single minded, unquestionable, blind following is not science.
  - random314 5y ago
    We are discussing a public safety issue here. If you want to take a political tangent, it is your choice. Again, this is a decision by a private company. If you are against big government, you should be in favor of the freedom of private companies and individuals implementing their own policy. In your single mindedness you have failed to realize that private companies being allowed to make their own decisions is actually not an example of big government. Also, you cannot have personal health Privacy without bug government. But that is a debate for another time.
    - josh_today 5y ago
      It’s very much political and not science based when you have most states going one way versus a handful working with private companies for a health based system https://twitter.com/GavinNewsom/status/1419715050529460225?s=20 https://twitter.com/GavinNewsom/status/1419715050529460225?s...
TulliusCicero 5y ago
Should they wait until after people start dying again to implement preventative measures or something? This is exactly the kind of bizarrely short-sighted reasoning that results in pandemics exploding in the first place: "Things aren't bad yet, so why do we need to do anything??"
- josh_today 5y ago
  Where do we end this then? Do we continue implementing lockdowns, mask mandates, forced vaccinations with every ebbs and flow… Or do we realize our urgent care infrastructure has enough capacity, deaths are down- zero on some days, vaccines are available for free for anyone that wants one, masks can be worn by anyone anywhere when they feel uncomfortable, and actually start promoting a healthy lifestyle. Or do you want to be in a perpetual state of a government controlled health crisis

rualca 5y ago

> Today the entire state of New York had ZERO covid related deaths. Yet this week we saw NYC and State employees and now major private corporations mandate the vaccine. It seems NYC has been registering a daily average of new 700 confirmed cases of covid, which is growing fast. This is a lower limit of the true rate of transmission as they reflect confirmed cases through molecular tests. https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page In this page, if you check the graph, you'll notice that NYC is registering a new wave of covid infections that is as the highest level in about two months. Even though covid infections in NYC are spiking, death rates are not. This is expectedly the result of the vaccination campaign. No wonder they are mandating the vaccine. That's the only way to prevent another death wave.

josh_today 5y ago
> Even though covid infections in NYC are spiking, death rates are not. This is expectedly the result of the vaccination campaign. Source?
- rualca 5y ago
  Source for which part? The numbers of NYC's infections and death rates, or that practically all covid-related deaths right now happen in patients who are not vaccinated?

jwilber 5y ago

Deaths lag so the point is irrelevant. You could just as easily argue it points in favor of vaccines.

josh_today 5y ago
The “wait 2 weeks” argument did not work for Florida when they took the lead, nor Texas when they had the first full capacity sporting event, and not India when they were on the “brink of collapse”. Delta is confirmed to be more contagious and less deadly. In a few weeks the numbers will be low regardless of what measures are taken. But the forced vaccination of federal, municipal, and private employees will be given credit. I am not against the vaccine. I am however against governments determining what freedoms their citizens are allowed to have based on what medicines they chose to take. We’ve all seen the disaster with our personal privacy across social media and the internet as a whole. Health is where the line gets drawn.
- joshuamorton 5y ago
  > Delta is confirmed to be more contagious and less deadly. Sort of, delta is confirmed to be less contagious and less deadly among a (significantly) vaccinated population. It is probably more contagious than the initial variant among an unvaccinated population, yes. But whether or not its more or less deadly, or whether vaccines + improved treatments have reduced the severity/survivability isn't clear. So delta is less deadly in practice at a population level, but it might be more deadly in only the unvaccinated population, or the same, or less. We don't really know.
  - josh_today 5y ago
    Agreed and it’s the “we don’t really know” but we’re forcing the vaccine on everyone that’s the problem. What we do know is that vaccinated can still catch and spread covid. The stats of breakthrough cases are skewed due to the CDCs methodology of tracking covid infections among the vaccinated. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/bre... There have been cases of covid infections among enclosed vaccinated groups https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/27/fully-vaccinated-alaska-cruise-passenger-tests-positive-for-covid.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/27/fully-vaccinated-alaska-crui... https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31889367/indianapolis-colts-coach-frank-reich-tests-positive-covid-19-being-vaccinated https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31889367/indianapolis-co... https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57830617 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57830617

karmasimida 5y ago

And, what is your point? So you are saying would come to the workplace, knowingly not vaccinated, and feeling no problem at all?

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josh_today 5y ago
If that’s your choice. And if you want to get vaccinated, keep up with boosters, and wear a mask in the workplace that can be your choice as well.
- weeks 5y ago
  Do I have a choice not to work with you?
  - josh_today 5y ago
    Yes you can choose to work from home. You can choose to get vaccinated. You can choose to wear a mask.

random314 5y ago

> For the record I will never disclosure my health status so don’t assume one way or another. But it is kinda easy to guess from your post.

josh_today 5y ago
That’s your assumption. Someone can be in favor of personal health privacy, against big government, and still be pro medicine. Single minded, unquestionable, blind following is not science.
- random314 5y ago
  We are discussing a public safety issue here. If you want to take a political tangent, it is your choice. Again, this is a decision by a private company. If you are against big government, you should be in favor of the freedom of private companies and individuals implementing their own policy. In your single mindedness you have failed to realize that private companies being allowed to make their own decisions is actually not an example of big government. Also, you cannot have personal health Privacy without bug government. But that is a debate for another time.
  - josh_today 5y ago
    It’s very much political and not science based when you have most states going one way versus a handful working with private companies for a health based system https://twitter.com/GavinNewsom/status/1419715050529460225?s=20 https://twitter.com/GavinNewsom/status/1419715050529460225?s...

TulliusCicero 5y ago

Should they wait until after people start dying again to implement preventative measures or something? This is exactly the kind of bizarrely short-sighted reasoning that results in pandemics exploding in the first place: "Things aren't bad yet, so why do we need to do anything??"

josh_today 5y ago
Where do we end this then? Do we continue implementing lockdowns, mask mandates, forced vaccinations with every ebbs and flow… Or do we realize our urgent care infrastructure has enough capacity, deaths are down- zero on some days, vaccines are available for free for anyone that wants one, masks can be worn by anyone anywhere when they feel uncomfortable, and actually start promoting a healthy lifestyle. Or do you want to be in a perpetual state of a government controlled health crisis