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That data is intensely misleading, leading to false interpretations such as the one you have offered. This is just three data points retrieved from three differ

That data is intensely misleading, leading to false interpretations such as the one you have offered. This is just three data points retrieved from three different sources about different vehicles, different temperatures, and wildly different starting SOC. The two supercharger curves shown on that page dip early because they started from a 0% SOC. Charging between 0–10% places additional thermal strain on the battery which results in a slower overall charge rate than if you started from 10%+. There is much better data out there which demonstrates that if you keep the variables under control, superchargers and CCS2 chargers with the same peak power availability have nominally identical charge rates.

clouddrover 5y ago
> That data is intensely misleading, leading to false interpretations There is no false interpretation. It's a flatter charge curve with a higher average charge rate. Similar to how the Mercedes EQS charges faster than the Model S Plaid: https://insideevs.com/news/522577/mercedes-eqs-fast-charging-analysis/ https://insideevs.com/news/522577/mercedes-eqs-fast-charging... > superchargers and CCS2 chargers with the same peak power But they don't have the same peak power. 350 kW CCS chargers are common. Some are 400 kW. No Tesla charger offers that yet. Tesla switched to CCS in Europe a long time ago. Tesla ought to switch to CCS in North America too. Cutting your customers off from easy access to an additional 4,550 CCS charging locations is not doing right by your customers: https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity_locations.html https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity_locations.html
- simondotau 5y ago
  When the data is misleading, defending your interpretation of it by pointing to the same data isn't a rebuttal. There are millions of electric cars on the road. People charge these cars fairly often. If your interpretation has merit, it could be substantiated by hundreds—if not thousands—of data points. If you really want to rehabilitate your interpretation, maybe start by finding a handful of them. As for the rest of your post, you are responding to an argument I did not make and have never made. I never claimed that CCS chargers cannot be faster than Tesla chargers.
  - clouddrover 5y ago
    > If you really want to rehabilitate your interpretation I love your pomposity. Here's the Model 3 charging slower than three other cars: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gxcukAhIAU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gxcukAhIAU Even the Audi e-tron beats it. How? Flat charging curve. Should have put that Model 3 on a CCS charger.

clouddrover 5y ago

> That data is intensely misleading, leading to false interpretations There is no false interpretation. It's a flatter charge curve with a higher average charge rate. Similar to how the Mercedes EQS charges faster than the Model S Plaid: https://insideevs.com/news/522577/mercedes-eqs-fast-charging-analysis/ https://insideevs.com/news/522577/mercedes-eqs-fast-charging... > superchargers and CCS2 chargers with the same peak power But they don't have the same peak power. 350 kW CCS chargers are common. Some are 400 kW. No Tesla charger offers that yet. Tesla switched to CCS in Europe a long time ago. Tesla ought to switch to CCS in North America too. Cutting your customers off from easy access to an additional 4,550 CCS charging locations is not doing right by your customers: https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity_locations.html https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity_locations.html

simondotau 5y ago
When the data is misleading, defending your interpretation of it by pointing to the same data isn't a rebuttal. There are millions of electric cars on the road. People charge these cars fairly often. If your interpretation has merit, it could be substantiated by hundreds—if not thousands—of data points. If you really want to rehabilitate your interpretation, maybe start by finding a handful of them. As for the rest of your post, you are responding to an argument I did not make and have never made. I never claimed that CCS chargers cannot be faster than Tesla chargers.
- clouddrover 5y ago
  > If you really want to rehabilitate your interpretation I love your pomposity. Here's the Model 3 charging slower than three other cars: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gxcukAhIAU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gxcukAhIAU Even the Audi e-tron beats it. How? Flat charging curve. Should have put that Model 3 on a CCS charger.