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I've been drug tested for corporate programming jobs before. I wouldn't say it's the norm in our industry though and this may be even less common now, IDK. But

I've been drug tested for corporate programming jobs before. I wouldn't say it's the norm in our industry though and this may be even less common now, IDK. But I do feel like there's a distinction between a urine test and a vaccine, since it's impossible to have a negative reaction to a piss test. As a fully vaccinated individual, I still dislike the idea of having to disclose this fact. Not for any logical reason I can personally attribute, but just because I'm used to not wanting to discuss my personal medical history in a professional setting. Perhaps this is actually worth changing, given how fucked up our medical system is here (USA). Just because something is new doesn't make it bad. What worries me though is backlash for the tiny fraction of population that actually can't take the vaccine for whatever reason. This line of reasoning falls apart pretty quickly after this point, since if you look for it, you can come up with whatever reasons you want for fearing the vaccine and therefor not taking it. At the end of the day you just need to trust that some things work as designed and that you are probably stronger than you think you are. Sorry I ended up going off on a tangent here.

version_five 5y ago
I have never done a drug test but had to disclose very invasive information for security clearances in the past. But in those cases I made a voluntary choice to work in a particularly interesting area. I also have both my vaccine shots and got them as soon as I possibly could. What I worry about is the idea of being compelled to do it, and of being compelled like you say to provide sensitive information for employment. It's better to push against something that you agree with the goal but are uncomfortable with the methods than wait until you have to fight against something you disagree with entirely. I would have to think very hard before taking a job where I had to prove to anyone I was vaccinated. My view is that focusing on increasing voluntary vaccinations to the point that it doesnt matter is the answer. Giving up to authoritarianism just this once is not a useful precedent to set.
- kenjackson 5y ago
  “ Giving up to authoritarianism just this once is not a useful precedent to set.” The precedent is already set for things of far less value. Vaccine disclosure actually seems like one of the few things companies require I provide that is valuable for the workplace.
throwawayboise 5y ago
If they can ask for your COVID vaccine status, they can ask for your other vaccines, your HIV status, they can ask for the results of your latest colonoscopy, your blood pressure, your blood sugar, all in the name of a "healthy workplace."
- mmastrac 5y ago
  That sounds like the slippery slope fallacy. COVID is a wide- and fast-spreading, current risk to public health. You don't need to ask for more, because nothing else is in the same ballpark.
  - ad404b8a372f2b9 5y ago
    I never understood this "fallacy", it's really common for laws and policies to build upon themselves. You call it the slippery slope fallacy, I call it slowly boiling the frog. People adapt and suddenly it's the new normal.
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rualca 5y ago
> But I do feel like there's a distinction between a urine test and a vaccine, since it's impossible to have a negative reaction to a piss test. I feel this jab is disingenuous. The goal of a drug test is to test whether you took recreational drugs. The goal of vaccination is to ensure the odds you contract and spread a disease is low to none. What I find mind boggling is that the concept of a drug test is extremely intrusive, as it tracks whether you took a recreational drug sometime in the recent past, like in your personal time very far away from the company's offices and while not on the job. Why is that encroachment deemed acceptable and normal by antivaxers but the simple and extremely safe act of taking a vaccine is somehow a major problem?

version_five 5y ago

I have never done a drug test but had to disclose very invasive information for security clearances in the past. But in those cases I made a voluntary choice to work in a particularly interesting area. I also have both my vaccine shots and got them as soon as I possibly could. What I worry about is the idea of being compelled to do it, and of being compelled like you say to provide sensitive information for employment. It's better to push against something that you agree with the goal but are uncomfortable with the methods than wait until you have to fight against something you disagree with entirely. I would have to think very hard before taking a job where I had to prove to anyone I was vaccinated. My view is that focusing on increasing voluntary vaccinations to the point that it doesnt matter is the answer. Giving up to authoritarianism just this once is not a useful precedent to set.

kenjackson 5y ago
“ Giving up to authoritarianism just this once is not a useful precedent to set.” The precedent is already set for things of far less value. Vaccine disclosure actually seems like one of the few things companies require I provide that is valuable for the workplace.

throwawayboise 5y ago

If they can ask for your COVID vaccine status, they can ask for your other vaccines, your HIV status, they can ask for the results of your latest colonoscopy, your blood pressure, your blood sugar, all in the name of a "healthy workplace."

mmastrac 5y ago
That sounds like the slippery slope fallacy. COVID is a wide- and fast-spreading, current risk to public health. You don't need to ask for more, because nothing else is in the same ballpark.
- ad404b8a372f2b9 5y ago
  I never understood this "fallacy", it's really common for laws and policies to build upon themselves. You call it the slippery slope fallacy, I call it slowly boiling the frog. People adapt and suddenly it's the new normal.

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rualca 5y ago

> But I do feel like there's a distinction between a urine test and a vaccine, since it's impossible to have a negative reaction to a piss test. I feel this jab is disingenuous. The goal of a drug test is to test whether you took recreational drugs. The goal of vaccination is to ensure the odds you contract and spread a disease is low to none. What I find mind boggling is that the concept of a drug test is extremely intrusive, as it tracks whether you took a recreational drug sometime in the recent past, like in your personal time very far away from the company's offices and while not on the job. Why is that encroachment deemed acceptable and normal by antivaxers but the simple and extremely safe act of taking a vaccine is somehow a major problem?