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“Condemn us all to death”? COVID has like a 1% fatality rate concentrated entirely in the elderly and the unhealthy (damaged immune system, obese, …) you are ov

“Condemn us all to death”? COVID has like a 1% fatality rate concentrated entirely in the elderly and the unhealthy (damaged immune system, obese, …) you are overreacting.

exegete 5y ago
What’s 1% of your country’s population? Of the world’s population? Also it’s not like the options are binary if you get infected - lots of room between healthy and dead.
belltaco 5y ago
Nowhere near entirely. Not to mention diminished brain health issues, quality of life decreases due to loss of smell, fatigue, long covid etc.
- throwawayboise 5y ago
  All also rare and not much different from similar effects of other viral infections such as the flu.
  - Kiro 5y ago
    Not rare at all. > About 33% of COVID-19 patients who were never sick enough to require hospitalization continue to complain months later of symptoms like fatigue, loss of smell or taste and "brain fog," University of Washington (UW) researchers found.
    - meiraleal 5y ago
      How much of the vaccinated people will get this same reaction? That's the important question. Would you like to get your "long covid" jab now or in 2 years? I decided to wait.
- n_io 5y ago
  Sounds a lot like the obesity epidemic to me. One that kills 1,794 people in the United States DAILY, year… over… fucking… year. Also completely preventable. And before you call BS here’s the data: https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/facts.htm https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/facts.htm
  - tpm 5y ago
    Prevention of obesity is a bit harder than getting vaccinated. Also the data you link to is about heart disease. Many people will have some sort of heart disease as they age even without being obese. The #1 risk factor of heart disease is age. Age is not preventable.
    - jeofken 5y ago
      There are many ways you can force your population or employees to be less fat. Google could ban fatties from coming into the office incentivising fat loss, you could force fat people to self isolate or not allow them to travel, also to incentivise healthy loving and make it shameful to contribute to the obesity epidemic. This is all ridiculous, but the moral logic would be similar. The same is true for driving and weapons, which are dangerous.
      - tpm 5y ago
        The moral logic would not be similar at all, because obesity is neither infectious nor acutely deadly. Sure it probably will kill you, but it will kill you indirectly and it will take deveral decades to do that. But it will not kill your immunocompromised coworker and his frail parents.
        jeofken 5y ago
        It it kills as many per year, but technically is not infectious, it would still deserve the same moral weight, so the similie holds. There are many ways you can use force and threats to make people live healthier, if you don’t consider them the owners of their bodies that is

“Condemn us all to death”? COVID has like a 1% fatality rate concentrated entirely in the elderly and the unhealthy (damaged immune system, obese, …) you are overreacting.

exegete 5y ago

What’s 1% of your country’s population? Of the world’s population? Also it’s not like the options are binary if you get infected - lots of room between healthy and dead.

belltaco 5y ago

Nowhere near entirely. Not to mention diminished brain health issues, quality of life decreases due to loss of smell, fatigue, long covid etc.

throwawayboise 5y ago
All also rare and not much different from similar effects of other viral infections such as the flu.
- Kiro 5y ago
  Not rare at all. > About 33% of COVID-19 patients who were never sick enough to require hospitalization continue to complain months later of symptoms like fatigue, loss of smell or taste and "brain fog," University of Washington (UW) researchers found.
  - meiraleal 5y ago
    How much of the vaccinated people will get this same reaction? That's the important question. Would you like to get your "long covid" jab now or in 2 years? I decided to wait.
n_io 5y ago
Sounds a lot like the obesity epidemic to me. One that kills 1,794 people in the United States DAILY, year… over… fucking… year. Also completely preventable. And before you call BS here’s the data: https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/facts.htm https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/facts.htm
- tpm 5y ago
  Prevention of obesity is a bit harder than getting vaccinated. Also the data you link to is about heart disease. Many people will have some sort of heart disease as they age even without being obese. The #1 risk factor of heart disease is age. Age is not preventable.
  - jeofken 5y ago
    There are many ways you can force your population or employees to be less fat. Google could ban fatties from coming into the office incentivising fat loss, you could force fat people to self isolate or not allow them to travel, also to incentivise healthy loving and make it shameful to contribute to the obesity epidemic. This is all ridiculous, but the moral logic would be similar. The same is true for driving and weapons, which are dangerous.
    - tpm 5y ago
      The moral logic would not be similar at all, because obesity is neither infectious nor acutely deadly. Sure it probably will kill you, but it will kill you indirectly and it will take deveral decades to do that. But it will not kill your immunocompromised coworker and his frail parents.
      - jeofken 5y ago
        It it kills as many per year, but technically is not infectious, it would still deserve the same moral weight, so the similie holds. There are many ways you can use force and threats to make people live healthier, if you don’t consider them the owners of their bodies that is