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There is plenty of good data. 40 counties make up around 20 independent failures out of as many attempts at implementing communism. > I seen a comment by a "in

by eloff 5y ago

There is plenty of good data. 40 counties make up around 20 independent failures out of as many attempts at implementing communism. > I seen a comment by a "intelligent dude" like you, in his intelligence he compared North and South Korea, ignored that sanctions for the North and the tons of money US dropped on south and he got the conclusion he wanted. Don't even get me started on the story of the two Koreas. Everything you need to build an open and shut case against communism can be found in the recent and well recorded history of those two countries. You can object to my "superiority complex" but at the end of the day I'm still right and your still wrong. This is not one of those things where reasonable people can have differing opinions.

simion314 5y ago
If you can explain how comparing North and South Korea is fair I would be impressed , previous dudes seemed to have no idea about history or their mind was missing the logic skill, maybe you can do a semi decent attempt. Btw China is a big economy and many of HNers tell me that their are communists and the party dictates everything etc, so you need some other skillful argument to attribute all the good in China to US and capitalism and of-course blame all the bad on communism. Also I personally believe that most of us understand by communism is not superior to the systems we see in Western Europe, my objection was to your bad argument that there are good clean data where you can extract clear conclusions.
- eloff 5y ago
  > previous dudes seemed to have no idea about history or their mind was missing the logic skill I'm getting less and less sure you're qualified to judge that as we go. > Btw China is a big economy and many of HNers tell me that their are communists and the party dictates everything etc, so you need some other skillful argument to attribute all the good in China to US and capitalism and of-course blame all the bad on communism. They're economically very capitalist with stock markets, free enterprise, billionaires etc. Having a totalitarian government has not been all bad for them, which is not an endorsement of such a system. However, communism very clearly failed for China, and the story did not change until they abandoned it - at which point that had a success story every bit as impressive as that of South Korea. > Also I personally believe that most of us understand by communism is not superior to the systems we see in Western Europe, my objection was to your bad argument that there are good clean data where you can extract clear conclusions. How much more data do you need to see before you can have a clear conclusion? You've got literally 40 case studies, roughly 20 of them independent "experiments", and 100% failure rate. Seriously, it's case closed already. This is not something reasonable people can disagree on. It's the economic equivalent of trying to argue the Earth is flat.
  - simion314 5y ago
    >You've got literally 40 case studies, Garbage In Garbage Out
    - eloff 5y ago
      More like sticking your fingers in your ears and ignoring the evidence that doesn't fit with your world view.
      - simion314 5y ago
        Dude, your evidence is flawed you want to prove that green color is better then red, so you put a rat in a green box, a rat in a red box, then you starve the rat in the red box and give a ton of food to the green rat. Then like a "genius self claimed scientist" you claim to prove that this is a valid experiment that proves that green is better then red.
        eloff 5y ago
        Really. Why don't you go through all 40 counties one by one and explain why it's a flawed experiment that proves nothing? You've made up your mind without looking at the evidence, as you've already demonstrated your ignorance of history, and somehow think that qualifies you to reject all of it - without having even considered it. You've proved my point rather nicely I think.
        simion314 5y ago
        I done it already for Korea , N Korea suffers from external interventions like sanctions, S Korea received a lot of money from US. So it is not a clean experiment. Would be more simple if you find the perfect example from those 40 and let's talk that one.

by eloff 5y ago

simion314 5y ago

If you can explain how comparing North and South Korea is fair I would be impressed , previous dudes seemed to have no idea about history or their mind was missing the logic skill, maybe you can do a semi decent attempt. Btw China is a big economy and many of HNers tell me that their are communists and the party dictates everything etc, so you need some other skillful argument to attribute all the good in China to US and capitalism and of-course blame all the bad on communism. Also I personally believe that most of us understand by communism is not superior to the systems we see in Western Europe, my objection was to your bad argument that there are good clean data where you can extract clear conclusions.

eloff 5y ago
> previous dudes seemed to have no idea about history or their mind was missing the logic skill I'm getting less and less sure you're qualified to judge that as we go. > Btw China is a big economy and many of HNers tell me that their are communists and the party dictates everything etc, so you need some other skillful argument to attribute all the good in China to US and capitalism and of-course blame all the bad on communism. They're economically very capitalist with stock markets, free enterprise, billionaires etc. Having a totalitarian government has not been all bad for them, which is not an endorsement of such a system. However, communism very clearly failed for China, and the story did not change until they abandoned it - at which point that had a success story every bit as impressive as that of South Korea. > Also I personally believe that most of us understand by communism is not superior to the systems we see in Western Europe, my objection was to your bad argument that there are good clean data where you can extract clear conclusions. How much more data do you need to see before you can have a clear conclusion? You've got literally 40 case studies, roughly 20 of them independent "experiments", and 100% failure rate. Seriously, it's case closed already. This is not something reasonable people can disagree on. It's the economic equivalent of trying to argue the Earth is flat.
- simion314 5y ago
  >You've got literally 40 case studies, Garbage In Garbage Out
  - eloff 5y ago
    More like sticking your fingers in your ears and ignoring the evidence that doesn't fit with your world view.
    - simion314 5y ago
      Dude, your evidence is flawed you want to prove that green color is better then red, so you put a rat in a green box, a rat in a red box, then you starve the rat in the red box and give a ton of food to the green rat. Then like a "genius self claimed scientist" you claim to prove that this is a valid experiment that proves that green is better then red.
      - eloff 5y ago
        Really. Why don't you go through all 40 counties one by one and explain why it's a flawed experiment that proves nothing? You've made up your mind without looking at the evidence, as you've already demonstrated your ignorance of history, and somehow think that qualifies you to reject all of it - without having even considered it. You've proved my point rather nicely I think.
        simion314 5y ago
        I done it already for Korea , N Korea suffers from external interventions like sanctions, S Korea received a lot of money from US. So it is not a clean experiment. Would be more simple if you find the perfect example from those 40 and let's talk that one.