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This comes no where close to the anecdotal evidence Ive seen. There are obviously some confounding factors involved.

by brodouevencode 5y ago

AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
Sadly I cannot tell if you're being sarcastic or not.
- nemosaltat 5y ago
  I think not sarcasm. I’ve found that an 8 hour eating window 1200-2000 works very well for me. N=1
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  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
    I'm sorry, I can't take anyone seriously who says "this study is obviously flawed because my personal anecdote differs". It's like someone claiming climatologists must all be wrong because it was cold last winter.
- brodouevencode 5y ago
  Not sarcasm. I've been a gym rat for the past 30 years, working out with dozens of people in serious fashion over that time spam. If you want to attribute the following to bro-science or small non-scientific study samples (this would be about a N=45) go right ahead, it's not going bother me. I started using IF around 15 years ago after a workout partner recommended it to me. I had great success with it and have been a big proponent of it since. I have never seen anyone lose muscle mass which would be counter to their efforts in the gym (worked mainly with strength athletes and bodybuilders). Bodybuilders will frequently use IF when on a cut but not prepping for a competition (that's usually a different protocol). Strength athletes will use IF to lose excess fat making them faster and more explosive. I've seen it work too many times. Some of these guys competed in their varying sports so any sign of counterproductive output would have resulted in them immediately abandoning it. I think the confounding factors are quality of the diet, level of exercise, sleep patterns, and overall health state. None of these as far as I can tell are accounted for in the study. Going further there are countering studies (for example https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20300080/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20300080/) that show that fasting (TR, ADF, etc.) are muscle sparing. This only makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint since the human race would no longer exist at the first major famine, which we've managed to survive a few times over. So, I think there's more to the story here than what the good doctor presented.
klyrs 5y ago
> There are obviously some confounding factors involved. In the study, or in the anecdotes you're familiar with? People are ashamed of their weight, and also ashamed of caring about their weight, so I'd expect a significant degree of selection bias because we're more likely to hear about diets that work than those that don't.

This comes no where close to the anecdotal evidence Ive seen. There are obviously some confounding factors involved.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago

Sadly I cannot tell if you're being sarcastic or not.

nemosaltat 5y ago
I think not sarcasm. I’ve found that an 8 hour eating window 1200-2000 works very well for me. N=1
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- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
  I'm sorry, I can't take anyone seriously who says "this study is obviously flawed because my personal anecdote differs". It's like someone claiming climatologists must all be wrong because it was cold last winter.
brodouevencode 5y ago
Not sarcasm. I've been a gym rat for the past 30 years, working out with dozens of people in serious fashion over that time spam. If you want to attribute the following to bro-science or small non-scientific study samples (this would be about a N=45) go right ahead, it's not going bother me. I started using IF around 15 years ago after a workout partner recommended it to me. I had great success with it and have been a big proponent of it since. I have never seen anyone lose muscle mass which would be counter to their efforts in the gym (worked mainly with strength athletes and bodybuilders). Bodybuilders will frequently use IF when on a cut but not prepping for a competition (that's usually a different protocol). Strength athletes will use IF to lose excess fat making them faster and more explosive. I've seen it work too many times. Some of these guys competed in their varying sports so any sign of counterproductive output would have resulted in them immediately abandoning it. I think the confounding factors are quality of the diet, level of exercise, sleep patterns, and overall health state. None of these as far as I can tell are accounted for in the study. Going further there are countering studies (for example https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20300080/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20300080/) that show that fasting (TR, ADF, etc.) are muscle sparing. This only makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint since the human race would no longer exist at the first major famine, which we've managed to survive a few times over. So, I think there's more to the story here than what the good doctor presented.

klyrs 5y ago

> There are obviously some confounding factors involved. In the study, or in the anecdotes you're familiar with? People are ashamed of their weight, and also ashamed of caring about their weight, so I'd expect a significant degree of selection bias because we're more likely to hear about diets that work than those that don't.