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Congratulations, Oracle! Not only have you completely failed to eradicate that information from the internet, but you've just made arguments to estoppel 10x mor

by glimcat 15y ago

Congratulations, Oracle! Not only have you completely failed to eradicate that information from the internet, but you've just made arguments to estoppel 10x more effective.

Mithrandir 15y ago
You'd think Oracle wouldn't be this ignorant. At least an apology would have saved some face.
- sgt 15y ago
  As a long time follower of Jonathan's blog, I must say I'm shocked Oracle would step down to this level. Oracle may be more business-savvy and able to make more money out of Sun technology than Jonathan was, but I'll be the first one to say that Jonathan ran a much nicer and more ethical company (for whatever that is worth).
  - mitchty 15y ago
    Oracle's been fucking up links/etc... to the sun.com domain for a while now. Remember all the research papers that you can't get to that were originally on sun.com? Same thing as this. Not overly surprising, but its sad to see so much useful content get nuked. The sun engineers that blogged generally had some really cool things relating to what they did. Like the dtrace guys, the kernel guys, and generally anyone in their engineering groups. It was extremely open as far as businesses go, and I for one will be sad to see oracle nuke the sun.com domain's useful bits away behind contract paywalls. Even though the company I work for has contracts, the general vibe isn't close to the same.
Groxx 15y ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect It's astonishing how many companies try it. I love the Internet for things like this :)
- Peaker 15y ago
  I guess you only hear about it when it has the Streisand effect. Perhaps there are many more cases that succeeded which you don't hear about?
- tedunangst 15y ago
  I think the comparison to Streisand effect is way off. Oracle has not issued any cease and desist letters to third parties. All they did was edit their own website. Big whoop. If a company's policy changes, they can't update their website to reflect the new policy? Really, the internet is carved in stone?
  - rcxdude 15y ago
    the Streisand effect doesn't just apply to someone attempting to silence another, It applies to any attempt to remove information (although it does usually need to be information of some interest in order to apply).
econgeeker 15y ago
I don't think that google was originally going with Sun Java is in dispute by anyone, thus I don't see the relevance of this to estoppel. This is just an admission by Sun that Google had licensed (at one point) Sun software.

by glimcat 15y ago

Congratulations, Oracle! Not only have you completely failed to eradicate that information from the internet, but you've just made arguments to estoppel 10x more effective.

Mithrandir 15y ago

You'd think Oracle wouldn't be this ignorant. At least an apology would have saved some face.

sgt 15y ago
As a long time follower of Jonathan's blog, I must say I'm shocked Oracle would step down to this level. Oracle may be more business-savvy and able to make more money out of Sun technology than Jonathan was, but I'll be the first one to say that Jonathan ran a much nicer and more ethical company (for whatever that is worth).
- mitchty 15y ago
  Oracle's been fucking up links/etc... to the sun.com domain for a while now. Remember all the research papers that you can't get to that were originally on sun.com? Same thing as this. Not overly surprising, but its sad to see so much useful content get nuked. The sun engineers that blogged generally had some really cool things relating to what they did. Like the dtrace guys, the kernel guys, and generally anyone in their engineering groups. It was extremely open as far as businesses go, and I for one will be sad to see oracle nuke the sun.com domain's useful bits away behind contract paywalls. Even though the company I work for has contracts, the general vibe isn't close to the same.

Groxx 15y ago

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect It's astonishing how many companies try it. I love the Internet for things like this :)

Peaker 15y ago
I guess you only hear about it when it has the Streisand effect. Perhaps there are many more cases that succeeded which you don't hear about?
tedunangst 15y ago
I think the comparison to Streisand effect is way off. Oracle has not issued any cease and desist letters to third parties. All they did was edit their own website. Big whoop. If a company's policy changes, they can't update their website to reflect the new policy? Really, the internet is carved in stone?
- rcxdude 15y ago
  the Streisand effect doesn't just apply to someone attempting to silence another, It applies to any attempt to remove information (although it does usually need to be information of some interest in order to apply).

econgeeker 15y ago

I don't think that google was originally going with Sun Java is in dispute by anyone, thus I don't see the relevance of this to estoppel. This is just an admission by Sun that Google had licensed (at one point) Sun software.