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Some interesting history of climate anxiety with a zenith in 1975 https://t.co/oXM5Zf8V7d?amp=1 https://t.co/oXM5Zf8V7d?amp=1

redleggedfrog 5y ago
Man, if we had only taken it seriously back then...
- Sharlin 5y ago
  Petrochem companies did. They spent serious money in order to dissuade the public from taking it seriously. Not that the public needed much dissuading.
  - olivermarks 5y ago
    Interested to hear more about petrochem spending 'serious money in order to dissuade the public from taking 'it' seriously'.
    - bseidensticker 5y ago
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MondapIjAAM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MondapIjAAM all the videos the Climate Town guy puts out are great, but this one is highly pertinent.
      - olivermarks 5y ago
        Familiar with these. Did you watch the video I posted about climate anxiety fashions?
        bseidensticker 5y ago
        Just did, I see your question was coming from the other direction. lol
- UncleOxidant 5y ago
  Jimmy Carter was a prophet and they ran him out of town.
polotics 5y ago
How is beef from 1975 relevant for my 2021 California fried chickens ?
- rad_gruchalski 5y ago
  Do you mean 2021 California almonds, pistachios, strawberries, grapes and cattle?
  - olivermarks 5y ago
    Cal Almond business water usage is an outrage, agree there!
alanbernstein 5y ago
Very interesting! What conclusion should I draw from this, that unlimited growth and pollution are fine?
- olivermarks 5y ago
  I can't speak for Simon, but I'd suggest commonsense stewardship of the planet is paramount and that the endless gloomy earth weather hysteria (particularly from academics) is very unhealthy and negative for humanity.
tshaddox 5y ago
The problem with the argument is that it assumes the only thing we can do to determine the validity of a claim is to evaluate how convinced certain other people are that the claim is true. He argues that, because scientists in 1975 were (supposedly) as convinced that global cooling was real as scientists today are convinced that global warming is real, we have no other means of determining whether either of these claims are true. Presumably he would also say that, because people before the Copernican Revolution were equally convinced of the heliocentric model as people after the Copernican Revolution were convinced of the geocentric model, we have no means whatsoever of determining whether either claim is true.
t235211 5y ago
There was no scientific consensus of global cooling. [1] Cherry picked bad evidence from 4 decades ago is not a rational basis to ignore the scientific consensus that the entire Earth faces enormous challenges. That video validates climate anxiety because it shows how scientifically-unsupported ideas can propagate and lead the public to false conclusions with potentially dire consequences. [1] https://skepticalscience.com/global-cooling.htm https://skepticalscience.com/global-cooling.htm
clydethefrog 5y ago
"An enduring popular myth suggests that in the 1970s the climate science community was predicting “global cooling” and an “imminent” ice age, an observation frequently used by those who would undermine what climate scientists say today about the prospect of global warming. A review of the literature suggests that, __on the contrary, greenhouse warming even then dominated scientists' thinking as being one of the most important forces shaping Earth's climate on human time scales__." https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/bams/89/9/2008bams2370_1.xml https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/bams/89/9/2008bam...

redleggedfrog 5y ago

Man, if we had only taken it seriously back then...

Sharlin 5y ago
Petrochem companies did. They spent serious money in order to dissuade the public from taking it seriously. Not that the public needed much dissuading.
- olivermarks 5y ago
  Interested to hear more about petrochem spending 'serious money in order to dissuade the public from taking 'it' seriously'.
  - bseidensticker 5y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MondapIjAAM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MondapIjAAM all the videos the Climate Town guy puts out are great, but this one is highly pertinent.
    - olivermarks 5y ago
      Familiar with these. Did you watch the video I posted about climate anxiety fashions?
      - bseidensticker 5y ago
        Just did, I see your question was coming from the other direction. lol
UncleOxidant 5y ago
Jimmy Carter was a prophet and they ran him out of town.

polotics 5y ago

How is beef from 1975 relevant for my 2021 California fried chickens ?

rad_gruchalski 5y ago
Do you mean 2021 California almonds, pistachios, strawberries, grapes and cattle?
- olivermarks 5y ago
  Cal Almond business water usage is an outrage, agree there!

alanbernstein 5y ago

Very interesting! What conclusion should I draw from this, that unlimited growth and pollution are fine?

olivermarks 5y ago
I can't speak for Simon, but I'd suggest commonsense stewardship of the planet is paramount and that the endless gloomy earth weather hysteria (particularly from academics) is very unhealthy and negative for humanity.

tshaddox 5y ago

The problem with the argument is that it assumes the only thing we can do to determine the validity of a claim is to evaluate how convinced certain other people are that the claim is true. He argues that, because scientists in 1975 were (supposedly) as convinced that global cooling was real as scientists today are convinced that global warming is real, we have no other means of determining whether either of these claims are true. Presumably he would also say that, because people before the Copernican Revolution were equally convinced of the heliocentric model as people after the Copernican Revolution were convinced of the geocentric model, we have no means whatsoever of determining whether either claim is true.

t235211 5y ago

There was no scientific consensus of global cooling. [1] Cherry picked bad evidence from 4 decades ago is not a rational basis to ignore the scientific consensus that the entire Earth faces enormous challenges. That video validates climate anxiety because it shows how scientifically-unsupported ideas can propagate and lead the public to false conclusions with potentially dire consequences. [1] https://skepticalscience.com/global-cooling.htm https://skepticalscience.com/global-cooling.htm

clydethefrog 5y ago

"An enduring popular myth suggests that in the 1970s the climate science community was predicting “global cooling” and an “imminent” ice age, an observation frequently used by those who would undermine what climate scientists say today about the prospect of global warming. A review of the literature suggests that, __on the contrary, greenhouse warming even then dominated scientists' thinking as being one of the most important forces shaping Earth's climate on human time scales__." https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/bams/89/9/2008bams2370_1.xml https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/bams/89/9/2008bam...